TRUMP

[par73]

Controversy helps to open the eyes of those who want to have a voice but are to weak to speak.
the ego is what kills a country. we put all our power into an elected few who are being controlled by a few rich people.
"WE NEED THE PRIVATE SEKTAAAH"

if we went back to the olden days, like the settlers kind of ways, we would be able to advance our society.
everyone is on a level field. you wont be surviving to work for dumb consumer shit... you would work to survive.
if you don't grow your own food then you don't eat.
none of the candidates support this idea unfortunately, in due time hopefully

if we got rid of the FED, let banks fail, AND rid ourselves of the IRS and the useless departments while bringing home our troops we would grow over night

[dac]

There is the great divide I guess.

You look at the bailout of the banks and warmongering in the middle east and say that a private company woudl be less efficient.

I don't think either one of those things is beneficial. The banks act the way they do cuz the taxpayers will bail them out if they act like fucktards. They should be in prison for violating the trust of the depositers, but when you can print money i guess these aren't real concerns.

The government is also super efficient at killing black people. Look at how inefficient that whole trayvon martin thing was, private citizen kills a guy and there's an uproar, instead of the eric garner "we investigated ourselves and we're all good here" stuff. You could have mentioned that too!

You could also say that the government is great at losing money to bureaucracy, spending other peoples money and choking out people who dont pay taxes on their cigarettes. I agree, the private sector could never provide such "services" and certainly not efficiently.

same with control, I dont want some violent behemoth running my day to day affairs, locking me in a cage if i smoke a plant or taxing me extra for trying to get from point A to point B too quickly. Or take away my guns or not allow two dudes to get married or whatever. It's all nonsense.

[switch]

Lol Dac

Even military contractors

Yah, like US state department!





How does the US create so many anti statist libertarians? I suppose it shouldnt surprise me that a country so dedicated to flag waving jingoism produces it's share of detractors. Anyway, we can file Dac away with the rest since I know exactly what his position is now

[Aki]

do you see the irony here? lower college fees = more average people getting their education.
if people want to go to an expensive private school let them pay for it on their own (employment or parents) or through their achievements,
but public state schools should definitely be cheaper and post-secondary tech schools should definitely be cheaper.
you're damn right college is a choice, too bad we let 18 year old spoiled brats make that choice instead of forcing them another 3-4 years education.

There have been many examples of countries lowering/eliminating university tuition fees and poor people not benefiting at all. Look at England (high tuition) versus Scotland (low tuition). Lowering tuition fees mainly benefits rich students who were going to go to college anyway and now don't have to pay for it. Degrees in highly lucrative majors will always be a good investment regardless of tuition costs. If students are given government loans to go to college then they'll choose their major wisely.

In Japan you don't finish school until you've had 15-16 years, including 3-4 years of post-secondary;

This is just wrong. School in Japan is only mandatory through the end of middle school. And the Japanese economy isn't doing young Japanese many favors (although I'd rather be middle income in Japan than middle income in America).

[par73]

There have been many examples of countries lowering/eliminating university tuition fees and poor people not benefiting at all. Look at England (high tuition) versus Scotland (low tuition). Lowering tuition fees mainly benefits rich students who were going to go to college anyway and now don't have to pay for it. Degrees in highly lucrative majors will always be a good investment regardless of tuition costs. If students are given government loans to go to college then they'll choose their major wisely.

Lowering tuition fees mainly benefits rich students? Please show me the facts or published studies about this, I'd like to see it. Having tuition support doesn't simply mean you don't have to pay for college while having financial support due to superior socio-economic status does.
I'm inclined to think those with less $$$ will get more value out of a tuition fee reduction.

In Japan you don't finish school until you've had 15-16 years, including 3-4 years of post-secondary;

This is just wrong. School in Japan is only mandatory through the end of middle school. And the Japanese economy isn't doing young Japanese many favors (although I'd rather be middle income in Japan than middle income in America).

I'm glad you could clear this up, I was mislead to think otherwise.
Also very well worded in the sense of income rather than class.

[par73]

There is the great divide I guess.

You look at the bailout of the banks and warmongering in the middle east and say that a private company woudl be less efficient.

I don't think either one of those things is beneficial. The banks act the way they do cuz the taxpayers will bail them out if they act like fucktards. They should be in prison for violating the trust of the depositers, but when you can print money i guess these aren't real concerns.

Hey, are you feeling the BERN?

The government is also super efficient at killing black people. Look at how inefficient that whole trayvon martin thing was, private citizen kills a guy and there's an uproar, instead of the eric garner "we investigated ourselves and we're all good here" stuff. You could have mentioned that too!

You that broad in your terms of government where you do not consider the individual working for the government (how socialist of you!) I think you're missing plenty of factors that can come into play when making a decision to take someones life
I think the demographic you're looking for there is young black people. Or maybe you meant incarcerating black people. It's not like you're saying they were super efficient at wiping out the race and culture of native Americans. (GG)

i was actually surprised by the results of both of these studies.

Experimental work with undergraduate participants reveals a clear pattern of bias (a tendency to shoot Black targets but not Whites), which is associated with stereotypes linking Blacks with the concept of danger. Subsequent work with police officers presents a more complex pattern. Although police are affected by target race in some respects, they generally do not show a biased pattern of shooting. We suggest that police performance depends on the exercise of cognitive control, which allows officers to overcome the influence of stereotypes... (Correll, et al., 2014)

someone who works for the public sector, is able to exercise more efficient cognitive control than the undergraduate baseline group. (just LOL at the obvious)
regardless, the bias here is undeniable and it seems people who work the government have some innate ability or trained knowledge available to them where they are less biased in quick-thinking situations.

a study done by harvard university collected data "Trends in US deaths due to legal intervention among black and white men, age 15-34 years, by county income level: 1960-2010."
seems these statistics indicate they were more efficient at killing white people during this time period.

"Given documented greater underreporting of black vs. white homicides by police officers, the results also likely underestimate the black vs. white excess. " at least they admit their studies methodology has flaws.



lets say the people involved in government are able to exercise

You could also say that the government is great at losing money to bureaucracy, spending other peoples money and choking out people who dont pay taxes on their cigarettes. I agree, the private sector could never provide such "services" and certainly not efficiently.

just lol

same with control, I don't want some violent behemoth running my day to day affairs, locking me in a cage if i smoke a plant or taxing me extra for trying to get from point A to point B too quickly. Or take away my guns or not allow two dudes to get married or whatever. It's all nonsense.

locking you in a cage for smoking a plant huh well they will probably tax you for moving out of state so so much for that strategy


Which dark foresty green state is yours?
Just look at IL, holy shit. What an outlier.

Oh tobacco?


sounds like you want to get rid of 2/3 of the ATF

I bet there's plenty of deaths caused by legal bullshit after what happened in Flint Michigan too, but that is 100% the governor's fault for not renewing/upgrading their public water system and putting citizen's lives at risk for neglect. awful shit over there, 56% African-American.
so again is that the government or is it the failings of individuals to pursue private needs and the fact they are combined is no more appropriate than "religion and state".

[strongarm]

honestly i have never heard krok ever post in such cowardice. that the big bad boogeyman from the sand is 'coming to get him' or his country or his countryfolk or what have you.

KROK KNEW THAT I WAS COMING BACK FOR HIM!!!

[Pogue]

@Pogue I support your reasoning to vote for Trump. If I too shared your pessimistic view I would be commenting on how it's not pessimistic but realistic.

That's the thing, I really don't 'support' Trump, I just think he's the lesser of two evils, which is fucking sad I'm even saying that. Whatever, what the fuck do I care, I live in Canada now anyway. GG.

[dac]

derp with zero content

nice argument bro, well thought out, planned, executed, and totally proving why your position is superior. shouldnt you be replying to yourself in a music thread or something?


@par: nothing you posted made sense to me. I reread like 3 times, not seeing the arguments. very possible I'm just tired but I'm not still not seeing it. If you're saying the government is fucking people over, well, yeah it does that. my point is that if you raise the power level of the government, people are going to find ways to try to swing it in their own favor. it's what happens today, and getting the money out of politics or campaign donations or lobbyists or whatever is only stopping one avenue. As long as that much power and wealth is concentrated in one place, people are going to find a way to exploit it. You cant fix it.

[wwo]

No, that's it. Heart in the right place, brain in southeast Asia.

[switch]

nice argument bro, well thought out, planned, executed, and totally proving why your position is superior. shouldnt you be replying to yourself in a music thread or something?

What argument? You've convinced me that you're yet another self-proclaimed victim complex disenfranchised American libertarian (and whiny too). Did you think this was not clear? Should I have provided you with a "position" that you could sarcastically reply to if it helped you come up with a better adhom? Aren't you a little out of your depth here, bro?

[dac]

nice argument bro, well thought out, planned, executed, and totally proving why your position is superior. shouldnt you be replying to yourself in a music thread or something?

What argument? You've convinced me that you're yet another self-proclaimed victim complex disenfranchised American libertarian (and whiny too). Did you think this was not clear? Should I have provided you with a "position" that you could sarcastically reply to if it helped you come up with a better adhom? Aren't you a little out of your depth here, bro?

you accusing me of adhom is absolutely rich

again, none of your positions or defending anything. just dismissing something you cant deconstruct logically. good job. feel free to let the adults continue to have a conversation that's clearly over your head.

jesus christ i just said that about a convo with paris. paris, you've grown up a lot bro.

[switch]

same with control, I dont want some violent behemoth running my day to day affairs, locking me in a cage if i smoke a plant or taxing me extra for trying to get from point A to point B too quickly. Or take away my guns or not allow two dudes to get married or whatever. It's all nonsense.

I'll stick to the candidate who is least likely to grow the behemoth of the us government into something even more oppressive than it already is. Socialism is completely against that idea. [ie, the Libertarian presidential candidate]

I would say, find something that the government took over that became more efficient than it was as a market actor. I've listed several examples of stuff that became less efficient. Government is too monolithic and bureaucratic to compete with private sector companies, its only advantage is that it gains revenue at gunpoint by taxing populations it claims dominion over.

I see boiler plate Misesian libertarian talking points, dac. Tell me I'm wrong.

[dac]

not wrong at all.

Anyway, we can file Dac away with the rest since I know exactly what his position is now

just retarded.

[switch]

What do you think about negative income tax, dac?

[par73]

@par: nothing you posted made sense to me. I reread like 3 times, not seeing the arguments. very possible I'm just tired but I'm not still not seeing it. If you're saying the government is fucking people over, well, yeah it does that. my point is that if you raise the power level of the government, people are going to find ways to try to swing it in their own favor. it's what happens today, and getting the money out of politics or campaign donations or lobbyists or whatever is only stopping one avenue. As long as that much power and wealth is concentrated in one place, people are going to find a way to exploit it. You cant fix it.

idk dac arguments are just arguments, i was having much more fun having a discussion with you from our perspectives. i care less about proving something and more about learning these days.
I guess if there was an argument in that last post it had to do with "government adept at killing black people", i've yet to see the efficiency. we're much more efficient at incarcerating them and taking away their civil liberties. A better point as suggested for the concept of murder would be they are adept at killing young black people (I wonder how well educated those young black people are, likely not), but I think the reality is they are adept at killing people with low socio-economic status. Without wealth in America one is just a sacrificial pawn moving the gears of the machine, neglected of a good greasing. If there was any attack on your overall argument, it's that I question the ways which you determine what makes the private sector more efficient than the public sector. Your approach has been to confirm your bias of private > public but everything is circumstantial, private banks have failed more than once in this country causing huge economic down-swings; other parts of the private sector break the laws by which the public sector abide to. I don't think we've drawn a fine line which ever way determining which is more efficient, we have no definitive objective measure of efficiency by which to measure the public and private sector to. This has yet to be established in our conversation and perhaps cannot be achieved without bias.

Regardless, while can compare and contrast these competitors, they are not the same in nature; the profit goals for the private is for the individual, while the public is for the collective group of individuals. Perhaps it is not that more public sector is less efficient, but more public sector failures effect more people. In this mob mentality way we regard them as less efficient while a private sector failure which only effects a small population goes unnoticed in our regards. The public sector failed in Flint, Michigan to regulate and provide a healthy source of water; the most vital compound to humans in nature. Would you make the argument that towns and cities across the nation should have their 'public' works departments be in control by the private sector instead? I'm not sure about the subject, but I wonder if some states choose to have the private sector control aspects of their infrastructure projects. In this Flint, MI case as well we are taking the actions of a few 'individuals' in the 'public sector' serious in the fact that they failed; the 'public' sector failed here. But those individuals failed as well, it's tough to say they were not simply working within their own interests as I doubt those who failed in their decision making were directly in contact with the water source of Flint, MI (a source outside of their personal interests). Perhaps this part of the public sector, instead of introducing private sector control, needs more regulation by other departments in the public sector; that the public sector would be more efficient if it was greater in the scope of it's power and influenced. If someone makes the claim the public sector is more efficient, then shouldn't the public sector model itself after the private sector? I think not, as the model for the public sector would then aspire for "individual" success over the collective public it serves.
The biggest failure in the public sector right now for me is in the field of education. They have implemented strategies where our teachers are now worried more about themselves as individuals working with shit pay threatening to be fired if their students do not reach a certain quota of success on specific test materials. The whole atmosphere is disgusting and perhaps I'll get into it another time. Let's get back to politics and power.

I don't think I would argue against that people would try to swing power into their own favor, plenty of people rely on concepts like the selfish-gene, survival of the fittest and eugenics to shape their world. I support that argument and so does empirical evidence. I would say however, since we are more aware of this bullshit happening today, it only gives us more power to be able to stop it. You can sit there and complain how your civil liberties are being threatened, but again without wealth no one is going to listen to you. I see Bernie as a candidate who would explore this path of taking the bureaucracy out of the government, a candidate who would pursue criminals who exploit the country and it's systems.Obama's campaign headline was "Change," it's interesting how after his 8 years in office the most current election is inspiring change more than ever in this country.

I find it funny when allies and enemies of the DNP poke their fun at Bernie supporters for being free thinkers, "Oh you're so butthurt you won't vote Clinton", as if it was the case. Bernie never actually went out of his way to respect or ask for the support of the DNP, I don't know why I should either. That's just another way the candidate I support has shown his support of the idea the government has too much power and he's not going to squirm around trying to fit in. Bernie wants more government, sure. But with his ideals of "more government" comes with a heavy presence of that 'new' government regulating 'old' government, exterminating those looking to betray the American people's interests for their own personal gains. Trump and Bernie alike have been whistle blowers on the subject throughout their campaigns, I see Bernie being able to have a better chance at getting something done about it than The Donald. If anything The Donald may strengthen the bureaucratic control over our government, not to mention I find myself highly suspicious of Trump and Clinton's relationship. This guy was plugging her money in 08, now he's causing a GOP divide... There are definitely things that have been going on behind the scenes that the general public is not aware of and won't ever be.

Are those Trump voters going to suddenly swing Cruz if they keep him out of the general election? Hard to say. Quite honestly if the GOP bullies Trump blocking him from becoming the candidate elect to represent the party in the national election, we might see our first competitive election between the GOP, DNP, and two independents. By chance at the end of the day if the GOP doesn't support Trump or vice versa, more important than where do the Bernie supporters go, is where do the Trump supporters go? Don't tell me you don't see Trump denouncing the GOP if he is not their chosen executive branch nominee, and quite honestly I don't blame him. If GOP gives into Trump, he's king-troll puppet-master, as his ideals are far more moderate than conservative and he might not sign off to everything the GOP forwards from the house and congress.

[NewMutator]

The problem with libertarians (the right-wing sort that infest the US) is that they can't make up their minds if the free market is descriptive or prescriptive.

[DBSeeker]

TRUMP is inevitable after yesterday.

Ready to vote Trump paris? He's not bought & paid for & he's for the people.

TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

[BIG KROK V8 SS]

Trump doesn't represents special interest groups, like the liberals. The liberals make up the wackiest shit just to try to appeal to "minorities." Their priorities are figuring out which bathrooms psychotic people who think they are a different gender. Trump represents America's best interests as a whole, not individuals of people. I really don't see why anyone thinks he's racist or whatever. He wants to build a wall to separate AMERICA from another country. That country being a country that is polluting ours with drugs, crime, and living off of the system. Trump wants to stop immigration, period. The vast majority of modern day immigrants hate America, but just come here to exploit us and cause havoc.

[shadow]

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TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

[shadow]

Real american walk through welfare zoo.

[par73]

go back to your wood box cage before putin puts you in your place

[shadow]

go back to your wood box cage before putin puts you in your place

Par
I looked on your pic once and ....mmm... a u fckn jew ?
Tell me plz tell me why leftist trash always looks like this

[shadow]

btw
We can look on milkmans face and he seems pretty similar
and he think same way as you

and I don't like u both
even w/o know how u look

MAGIC

[par73]

so much hate
so much parrot speak

[shadow]

so much hate
so much parrot speak

got ya

[par73]

double triple posting the only thing you have is rage herpes for which im immune

protection?

[shadow]

SMASH CULTURAL MARXISM

[switch]

It amuses me greatly that xenophobic antisemetism and white nationalist neofascism has become the default ideology of the illiterate peasent class, oddly coinciding with the supplanting of /b by /pol.



As I've suggested earlier in this thread, and as has recently been indicated by his major speech on this subject, should he win the presidency, Mr. Trump will have his hands full realigning US foreign policy- nationalist or isolationist? You decide.



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[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0hE1TyXyHw[/youtube]

[par73]

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your post text is actually in red

[NewMutator]

Is shadow a neonazi?

[DBSeeker]

Trump clinches!

So excited!

Time for America to become great again.

[Cutard]

Hey seeker, I heard about the job, congrats.

Do they give you an official uniform or armband or something? At least you don't have to buy your own nightstick. Warsaw is beautiful this time of the year, you'll love it.


you're not fooling anyone, if it's brown flush it down

[DBSeeker]

Cu, why did you decline a chance to work for the Trump campaign?

[Zak]

Nothing worse than an aryan sand idiot