Donation page?

[par73]

hey punk you should set up a donation page for gos.net
I'm sure a lil money could go a long way on this server and I bet there are players out there who could donate

If you didn't want the money to go to meta server expenses you could always host a server sponsored tournament (marius never had one, playmyth only had The Fall Classic, and bungie had plenty!)

[punkUser]

By server sponsored tournament you mean basically act as a collection center for tournament prizes? That might work, although the logistics of distributing money might be a little annoying unless everyone has paypal or similar. Interesting idea though, I'll give it some thought.

[jason_ac]

LOL, I was going to make this same thread "someday". Once my work schedule lightens up, and I can actually PLAY on GoS instead of just autohost, I plan to contribute to PM & GoS (if people will take it). This much play value this long after I bought the game...that's worth something! At least a pizza for all of you Do what you like with the money. If you want to give the money away (& draw people to a tourney?), just tell them, you can only win the prize money if you have Paypal. If not, you can win first place, but you'll either have to designate a Paypal recipient for your prize money, or it gets shared down to 2nd place, 3rd, etc.

[par73]

By server sponsored tournament you mean basically act as a collection center for tournament prizes? That might work, although the logistics of distributing money might be a little annoying unless everyone has paypal or similar. Interesting idea though, I'll give it some thought.

well also if someone dropped 50 bucks in donations to the server maybe u would be a little more inclined to spend an extra three hours cracking down on server upgrades

[punkUser]

well also if someone dropped 50 bucks in donations to the server maybe u would be a little more inclined to spend an extra three hours cracking down on server upgrades

Unfortunately it's not a money issue. Just between a full time job and a newborn and ~2 year old it's sort of busy I do what I can though as it's not really about money for me.

Helping with server hosting costs a bit might be nice though, especially if the load increases with proxy/relay stuff in the future. We'll see, but appreciate the offer. Tournament rewards is a good idea too though.

[jason_ac]

Helping with server hosting costs a bit might be nice though, especially if the load increases with proxy/relay stuff in the future. We'll see, but appreciate the offer. Tournament rewards is a good idea too though.

If you're lucky, it could be a self-reinforcing cycle. Offer just enough of any donated money as a prize to entice people...then maybe they stay and play and are willing to donate. Especially if you put out an appeal.

Hah, instead of ranking, give donors a special icon on GoS? People pay for sparkly stuff

[Pogue]

LOL, I was going to make this same thread "someday". Once my work schedule lightens up, and I can actually PLAY on GoS instead of just autohost, I plan to contribute to PM & GoS (if people will take it). This much play value this long after I bought the game...that's worth something! At least a pizza for all of you

LOL who ARE you? LOL no one cares. LOL who donates money to MYTH? LOL no one.

[switch]

Jason_ac is 100% legit

[jason_ac]

LOL who ARE you? LOL no one cares. LOL who donates money to MYTH? LOL no one.

If you don't care, why bother reading, or replying? And, actually, people have been bugging me to play (not that they'll be impressed ). You think donating to Myth is ridiculous? That's a sad reflection on you.

You know who's already donated LOTS to Myth? The members of Project Magma (& past dev teams), punkUser, and every mapmaker. Time is valuable, and site hosting costs money. You know who else donates to Myth? People with a sense of appreciation. And your reaction is to just piss all over that? Aren't you special.

[Pogue]

And, actually, people have been bugging me to play (not that they'll be impressed ).

Who? Jahral?

You think donating to Myth is ridiculous? That's a sad reflection on you.

Donating money to a game 10 people play regularly? Yep, that's tossing money down a deep dark hole. Maybe if 100 people played regularly it would be worth it.

You know who's already donated LOTS to Myth? The members of Project Magma (& past dev teams), punkUser, and every mapmaker.

Are you Godzfire?

You know who else donates to Myth? People with a sense of appreciation.

Guess the Myth Piggy Bank is pretty light then. Mythers usually just complain. I must care, I've spent this long typing this....no, actually I'm just taking a shit and writing this on my phone. Beats the newspaper. Come at me bro.

[punkUser]

Are you Godzfire?

Pogue come on man, you *at least* have to keep up with Myth politics (tm) if you're going to contribute proper trolling! Godz now hates project magma. Given that Om accusations are a little low brow these days, you'll have to come up with something clever.

[jason_ac]

Donating money to a game 10 people play regularly? Yep, that's tossing money down a deep dark hole. Maybe if 100 people played regularly it would be worth it.

All that matters is how much YOU play it, and if you value that at all (& compared to, say, how much you play some $50 console game you bought). Or if you hope to pull more people into it (I do). If you don't care if Myth disappears tomorrow, that's fine, you're not obligated to give your time or money to it. Though it is pretty lame of you to piss on it, if you're playing it at all.

>Are you Godzfire?

No. Seems like a completely irrelevant question. Thoughts can be valid/invalid regardless of who they're coming from.

[Renwood]

Lets be honest here, you all hate some of the filthy money you have.
I can help you with this problem.

AS we all know, I accept donations via payapl@ Digitalpeaches@yahoo.com I work full time on this shit and nobody else in the world does.

As seen in my recent posts of some of the all new units to made for the Newest "Our Farewell Tagset" in all HD coming soon!
Also an update to the Myth HD Total Conversion will come out very soon.

I could use some more system RAM to render new units faster and a video card that is not from 2006 as well. (Nvida Geforce 7800 GTX)
Peach based food products cost money, help me eat them.

Renwood ~ Blatant Shameless Self Promotion since 1997

[Pogue]

AS we all know, I accept donations via payapl@ Digitalpeaches@yahoo.com I work full time on this shit and nobody else in the world does.
Renwood ~ Blatant Shameless Self Promotion since 1997

LOL started any kick starters lately?

Are you Godzfire?

Pogue come on man, you *at least* have to keep up with Myth politics (tm) if you're going to contribute proper trolling! Godz now hates project magma. Given that Om accusations are a little low brow these days, you'll have to come up with something clever.

Meh, I just assumed anyone saying anything good about project magma is a member. Historically that has been the case.

[jason_ac]

Meh, I just assumed anyone saying anything good about project magma is a member. Historically that has been the case.

How can anyone still playing Myth NOT have something good to say about PM & GoS (& fondly remember MNet, if they never restart)? An OLD, excellent, unique game is still playing well, with new features, and new content, for free. That a lot of players have probably spent more time on (playing, mapmaking, forum-ing, chatting, etc) than their last 10 console games they bought, combined.

[Renwood]

Who buys console games?

[jason_ac]

Hah, here's a fund-raising option to maybe offer, maybe someone will take you up on it someday...the highest bid by a person (or group) that exceeds a set threshhold, gets to name one of the rooms on GoS for 12 months (with veto power to you on the name). Then perhaps split the money with PM. "Jason's Hall of Death" has a nice ring to it, don't you think? If I had the money Now all we need is a rich, egotistical Myther

[punkUser]

Meh, I just assumed anyone saying anything good about project magma is a member. Historically that has been the case.

But Godz is not, nor has ever been a member...

[vinylrake]

...AS we all know, I accept donations via payapl@ Digitalpeaches@yahoo.com I work full time on this shit and nobody else in the world does.

...Also an update to the Myth HD Total Conversion will come out very soon.

You've been promising an update to the Myth Total Conversion plugin since last summer, and you have an incredibly long history of missing deadlines and not releasing things so I don't think I'll be sending you any money. I like to get something in return for my money - I'd need something more than knowing pieces of a never ending project are being completed a little faster.

You can of course argue that I am being a jerk because you believe that if you had more money you would be able to do things more quickly and get your projects released, but I don't think that's the problem here. The problem is that you have very poor project management skills. Why do I say that? You know the limitations of your hardware and your resources and have been working on this kind of project FULL-TIME for YEARS so really should by now have a pretty reasonable idea of how much you can REALISTICALLY accomplish on a project in a given period of time, yet year after year on project after project you continue to announce releases that you never meet - often missing your release estimates by months or even years. Maybe the late/non-existent releases are because you thought of something even cooler to add to the plugin or figured out a new method to make things look even better so you had to re-do all the rendering for the 5th time, but in the project management world that's called "scope creep" and you have to manage that or as you keep adding features and 'improving' things your projects balloon in size and in the time it takes to complete them until they become so large they just never end. That your projects continually and habitually arrive so far beyond their announced release dates - and even beyond their adjusted-multiple-times release dates is - to me at least - indicative of poor project management skills - which is also why I thought the possibility of your "Wind Age" project ever getting completed were so unlikely as to be all but impossible.

I am sorry if you just hear me being a jerk to you - I know you have a great passion for Myth and for making cool things for Myth and despite our personality differences I have often looked forward to seeing what your next release will be. But then I wait.... and wait.... and wait.... and things either never come out or I am just tired of waiting and lose interest, or when they finally do arrive they suck up so much CPU power my computer crawls and I get jaded and cynical and stop expecting great things. But my disappointment aside - I would honestly like you to create great things for Myth and I really believe you have enthusiasm and ideas and probably skills for making things for Myth - it's just that as much as you apparently want to believe it is one, project management isn't one of your strengths, and no amount of peach/graphics-card money is going to solve that.

tldr; Please find someone else to manage your projects so you can work on whatever it is you do best in creating things for Myth, so we can see some of these amazing things you are creating get released for us to play with before we die of old age.

[Renwood]

I said the HD total conversion would be out by the end of April, then I released it May 2nd.
In 2009 I promised the first HD thing we made would be out Dec 31st, It came out Jan 2nd...
You have a highly biased selective memory, coupled with a penchant for revisionist history. A Nasty combination that leads to epic lapses in judgment on your part.

That being said, I don't get the logic of the thought process you subscribe to that funding does not = faster development. When I render a unit, and it takes around 8 hours total just for the render output. Are you really suggesting if I had more RAM (I currently only have 2 gigs) or a more modern Video card with more VRAM or newer CPU, it could not significantly reduced render times? Or being able to spend money to pay a web designer to make a website again so our team has forums to discuss things. Not to mention I could upgrade my internet to a higher speed so I could upload large files to ooga and others faster and DL faster as well. Leading to less failed attempts at sending things or DLing things that fail partway through. I can go on and on forever about how funding for development reduces time required to get things done.

If you knew more about video game development, you would know that even studios with hundreds of employees miss deadlines sometimes. So to blame me for your misconceptions about missing deadlines is silly.
Its part of video game development. Even bungie, miscalculated their being able to release Halo so badly, they were 2 inches from going bankrupt, and had to sell themselves to M$

[punkUser]

... or a more modern Video card with more VRAM ...

Not to totally derail, but the GPU is not used for production rendering at all, so no it wouldn't make any difference there. RAM is slightly questionable for the Myth models as well since they are tiny, although in general if you're swapping to HDD you could benefit. It's pretty much all down to CPU for rendering work.

[Renwood]

Is this based on your extensive experience rendering myth models on my system Punk?

Going from 2 gigs of RAM to 4 GIGS would speed up my entire system in every kind of task required significantly. A SSD would be sweet as hell, but then I also would have to buy a copy of windows 7 or 8 to really get the benefits. (I am XP)
Just that damned cannon I showed when rendered with Ray Trace takes 39-55 secs per frame. Its got 40 angles since its so long and X that by how many sequences. When I start Alias, It informs me that my video card is too low spec, and recommends that I upgrade it.......
A faster CPU with more cores would certainly help as well as I said, that all costs $

[vinylrake]

A Nasty combination that leads to epic lapses in judgment on your part.

I'd love to hear what "epic lapses of judgement" you feel I've made, seriously.

But as usual you don't address the serious observations people make, you just accuse other people of not knowing as much as you do. "If they only knew, they would understand!" Poor misunderstood Renwood, it must be tiring being so alone on your godlike pedestal of knowledge.


ps. I originally included a recent timeline of your release "schedule" in my first comment but deleted it because I felt maybe it was being to petty. But since you want to accuse ME of having a selective memory as you cherry pick your own history. Here's what you've said about the "HD" Myth total conversion tagset since your last release of the tagset. You can find your original posts in the "Myth HD Total Conversion has been released" topic and confirm that I am not making any of this up.

Re: Myth HD TOTAL CONVERSION HAS BEEN RELEASED!
Post by Renwood » May 26th, 2013, 2:14 am
We will have a new version (Myth HD Total Conversion v2) at some point in June-AUG

Re: Myth HD TOTAL CONVERSION HAS BEEN RELEASED!
Pos tby Renwood » July 21st, 2013, 6:15 pm
Working on a new version still.


Re: Myth HD TOTAL CONVERSION HAS BEEN RELEASED!
Post by Renwood » December 18th, 2013, 5:46 am
New release for the Myth HD Total Conversion coming soon-ish.

So, the tagset is (being as generous as possible) FIVE months (and counting) late.

You say my bringing that up shows I don't know anything about game development? OK that might be true in your delusional world, but it clearly demonstrates that you either have absolutely no idea how to estimate how long it takes to do things you have been doing full-time for years (e.g. Making things for Myth - which is really something you would have a reasonable grasp on by now if you had any contact with reality) or you don't know anything about managing a project - or my guess? Both.

[Renwood]

A Nasty combination that leads to epic lapses in judgment on your part.

Poor misunderstood Renwood, it must be tiring being so alone on your godlike pedestal of knowledge.

Wrong again VR/OM, It is not a godlike pedestal, it is a Bright Shining Zeppelin Of Arrogance!
And there is ONLY room for 1 inside it! Though, if you make a donation, I will take you up in it and you can sit on my lap, as we look down upon all the little people.

[vinylrake]

...It is not a godlike pedestal, it is a Bright Shining Zeppelin Of Ignorance!....

You had a typo, I fixed it for you.

<3

[Renwood]

Well pretty much half those posts were just bumps to put the thread back up on the front page.
I can only estimate time frames based on current rates of production at any given moment. Kinda like when your download in progress says at 500Kb per second it will be done in 1 hour, then it drops to 50Kb per sec and then says 10 hours, then goes up to 100Kb a sec and says 5 hours.

[vinylrake]

Still waiting for some examples of my "epic lack of judgement".

But thanks for the clarification about releases and schedules, next time when I see you say "A new version of the HD tagset will be out on X day" I'll know you don't really mean it and you are just trolling us to keep your eternal project a topic of conversation.

As for the time estimates? What a bullshit answer. You've been making Myth stuff for over 10 years and you still have no idea how long it takes to do anything? You can't even come up with a ballpark estimate within 6 months of something you are doing 'full time' and still think you have great project management skills? You have no idea how well you reinforce my opinion of your incompetence at project management.

By the way to address a couple other issues you raised:

I didn't say giving you funds wouldn't increase how fast you do individual parts of your project, what I said was that funding YOU wouldn't help the project get done any quicker. That's because I don't believe it's the time it takes to render units at a resolution that 99% of players will never see the detail on (though considerable I am sure) that makes the project take forever - it's the fact that YOU are in charge of the project. Your project management 'skills' are at fault and no amount of money will help that. Look - you are rendering units at a resolution which you have to zoom in as far as possible to appreciate and even see the detail on, and you could render them at probably half or 3/4 the resolution and still have the most detailed looking units in the 'market', but you can't prioritize importance and figure out a way to get the project done - no you have your mind set on the highest resolution possible and you are determined to stay on that path regardless of how long it takes, regardless of whether Myth will even run on computers when your project is released or whether anyone will see/appreciate the detail. That is poor project management, focusing on the details instead of the big picture (literally in your case). (Of course the ironic thing is that by the time you finish this project (IF you ever finish) and IF Myth has continued to be updated so it still runs on the latest computers when your project is released in 2025 (a joke time estimate like your estimates, don't bring this quote up in 2015 when your project is done and say I was off by 10 years) - when your project is finally finished, 4K 10' HD monitors will be commonplace so the 3 people left playing Myth might actually be able to appreciate your project. (Go ahead call yourself a visionary, you know you think it anyways)

Also in defending your sliding release dates (which you later claimed weren't release dates but were just made up to keep your topic in the public eye) you said "Even bungie, miscalculated their being able to release Halo so badly, they were 2 inches from going bankrupt, and had to sell themselves to M$" For someone who claims to know so much about the gaming industry this is incredible bullshit for you to be spouting. They didn't "have to sell themselves" to anyone. They were a relatively small company (with one really successful game) who most people hadn't heard of - and they got a boatload of cash and the opportunity to be THE IT company for a brand new console which MS was pouring billions into - that's not an opportunity that comes along very often. To go from a small Mac/PC game developer with 1-2 games that sold well in the computer gaming market to become THE developer of THE game for a new console (Halo WAS X-Box, MS marketed the hell out of it, people bought the xBox BECAUSE of Halo)? No brainer. If you knew anything about the gaming industry - as you so regularly claim - you'd know what kind of opportunity that was for Bungie.

[jason_ac]

make a website again so our team has forums to discuss things.

Why not use some place like forumcircle.com to make your own free forum?

And, just an observation...I don't know the scope of Ren's projects, I don't know how much of his week he gets to spend on them, but, as an IT professional, who's also done a tiny bit of game dev on the side...most computer projects are late. It's practically a truism in the industry. It's notable when a project is even near timely, and an exception when it's on time.

Good project managers are as common as 4-leaf clovers. Bad ones...keep their jobs usually A smart person can see the problems ahead of time (even if they don't want to manage them)...but most people are either not smart enough, or have a reason they don't want to see the problem (like they'd have to admit to their boss they screwed up). Better to delay and obfuscate until everyone's confused.

I've worked furiously on large, multi-year, ridiculous projects that I knew could never be finished, period (because the people in charge didn't understand the scope of it well enough, and they weren't getting lead designers who could handle it), never mind finished "on time". Sure enough, as I predicted, they eventually had to axe 50-60% of the project, throw away a lot of wasted work (that we knew was a waste while we were doing it), and it still came in 2 years late (after already being worked-on for years) and way over-budget. And that manager kept her job