Myrgard

I'm curious how many of you primarily use only numerical keyboard presets, box select, or a mix during online games? I'm not interested in creating a poll, but I would like to know how some of you are using presets or not using presets. Do you see any pro's/con's to using them a lot (to the point of having up to, say 10)?

As an example, my preference on most levels/gametypes is to have about 6 to 7 unit presets that I rarely alter during the game unless my strategy changes. Of course I'm selecting individual units when necessary, but my presets are the primary way I think about and organize my units. I typically use the same numbers for the same types of units (e.g. preset 1 =melee, preset 2 = archers, 3 = 2 ghols, 4 = dorf etc).. I started thinking about people's preferences for unit grouping after seeing some screencasts on youtube, and I was shocked to see that people were just selecting individual units or box selecting the entire MP game. I realize some of these videos are "how to's" aimed at familiarizing new players to the M2 interface, but many aren't. It was my understanding, up to this point, that having presets was pretty much essential for getting anywhere in MP games. Are some of you just moving really quickly with click-drag and shift selecting?

Hybrid. I used to use 2-5 presets, depending on the units. For reference, each of the following would get their own preset: pus ghols, archers/soulless, most melee in 1 preset (thrall the usual exception), dwarves, warlocks, fetch... So as the variety of units went up, so would my number of presets. That's incredibly inefficient. Now I try to use a maximum of three regardless of variety and more by speed+purpose, and either click- or band-select for singles or groups. There's a bit of unlearning to do since my habits were formed years ago from lots of games, to now when I might sign on in 3 or 4 months out of 12.

I max out at 4. 1 or 2 are usually melee groups, 3 and 4 are ranged groups (ie, arcs, duffs, warlocks,). four to five are for wigs or anything else..
My rationale though is based on "power" units per map. That is, "one" is usually the most important unit for that map, with descending orders for the rest. I Basically get bored if more than 4 presets are required (I know I'm not the only one. Adrenaline, back me up...). I think the traditional Royal Navy units are still relevant: White forces (Vanguard, ie, ghols), red forces (ie, main force, blue Forces (ie, extreme ranged, rear guard troops).

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I generally use 5-6 presets.... but I use a mix of selection methods when in battle.

An example of my presets is something like this:

Proving Grounds KOTH 1-Trow, 2-mellee main force, 3-artillery, 4-flag mellee, 5-ghol(s), 6-wight
Gimble CTF - 1-mellee, 2-bows, 3-dorf(s), 4-ghol, 5-ghol

light ex gimble: 1- melle 2-arch -3 duffs 4- ghols
dark ex pg : 1 trow 2-melle 3 art 4- ghols

seems like you may have mimicked my setup, PK

box selection has always been useless for me. i dunno if its just mac but box selection has always been really slow, you gotta wait half a second after pressing the mouse until you can move the cursor or it doesn't work properly.

might be more about your actual computer specs than the OS

adrenaline wrote:seems like you may have mimicked my setup, PK

hehe, well this is what I use.

Apparently with 1.8 you can use 1-touch preset recalls now, which is cheating. I use up to 10 presets sometimes (1v1 trow), but they can also be a handicap. Lately I've been doing no presets trying to build up my left handed Mything a bit more. I only use up to 4 presets when playing left handed because I use the numeric keypad on the right side of the keyboard.

par73 wrote:might be more about your actual computer specs than the OS

i've gone through about 10 different machines playing myth (all macs) from the original an old powermac 5500 to the current mac pro and it's always been identical.
same sort of problem with control clicking the ground instead of using a mouse button with the delay.
i never figured out how to fix it

BIG KROK V8 SS wrote:Apparently with 1.8 you can use 1-touch preset recalls now, which is cheating. I use up to 10 presets sometimes (1v1 trow), but they can also be a handicap. Lately I've been doing no presets trying to build up my left handed Mything a bit more. I only use up to 4 presets when playing left handed because I use the numeric keypad on the right side of the keyboard.

LOL such BS

sasper wrote:

BIG KROK V8 SS wrote:Apparently with 1.8 you can use 1-touch preset recalls now, which is cheating. I use up to 10 presets sometimes (1v1 trow), but they can also be a handicap. Lately I've been doing no presets trying to build up my left handed Mything a bit more. I only use up to 4 presets when playing left handed because I use the numeric keypad on the right side of the keyboard.

LOL such BS

You just mad I'm that ridiculously talented.

For me, any more than about 7 presets makes them useless. Half the time you're just trying to remember what you chose past preset #7...

sasper wrote:box selection has always been useless for me. i dunno if its just mac but box selection has always been really slow, you gotta wait half a second after pressing the mouse until you can move the cursor or it doesn't work properly.

Disable left click gestures in controls (and use right click instead for orienting) and then it doesn't have to wait. The problem is left click is "overloaded" between those two things (gesture vs. box select) so it has to wait a second to disambiguate the two.

I use the first 4 with most armies (1 archers 2 dorfs 3 melee 4 pus) with preset 5 having all my units but pus and 6 having all units including pus. When I need to micro specific units I box select or shift click.

Myrk wrote:I use the first 4 with most armies (1 archers 2 dorfs 3 melee 4 pus) with preset 5 having all my units but pus and 6 having all units including pus. When I need to micro specific units I box select or shift click.

I'm surprised you haven't eaten all the number keys off your keyboard you fat canadian fuck.

I'm surprised you're still bitter about losing mwc13 to me

Myrk wrote:I'm surprised you're still bitter about losing mwc13 to me

I'm surprised you are stupid enough to think I actually played in any mwc after 2011.

1 main melee force,
2 whatever is the most powerful missle unit I have that makes things explode (pus gols, dorfs, fetch, locks)
3 is all the gols (mix of melee and pus gols)
4 can be a secondary melee force for protecting missle units while the main melee attacks. Or if I had four pus gols two gols would be #2 and the other two pus gols would be #4 ALL the gols together is #3
5 is EVERYBODY that I own on the entire map. Often I just use enter to select everybody on screen instead of using #5 preset.
0 is for WIGHT PEOPLE ONLY!

As the game goes on, I am updating and adding people or removing them from my presets. So if all my pus gols or dorfs are dead, now #2 would be archers, if they are next most powerful missile unit.

As practice, try to get done with UT and have ALL your presets made before the game starts.

Whenever I've played it's usually band select or lassoing. A couple presets are okay, but when I have too many it just gets confusing. But it's good to get in the habit in case you can't immediately find the units you're looking for. Presets should be a bit easier for noobs to master with the addition of 1.8's alternate preset recall.

Standard light presets

1 - primary ranged unit usually archers
2 - secondary ranged unit usually dwarf
3 - pus
4 - melee

pretty much same deal with dark units, giant units like trow are always set to 1 and everything else shuffles down, on KG I use 3 and 4 for the 2 ghol bomb squads although I don't like using 5 presets because I'm old

Anytime I played with you prior to last Friday was 100% click and drag/individual selection. I didn't know about presets until PK showed me last week.

for light maps and the like
1- melee
2-archers
3-duffs
4-pus ghol #1
5-pus ghol #2

For something like pg
1 - trow +ghols
2 - lock
3- mort
4 - main melee
5- flag melee

Also, for KG:

1: HGH + 3 ghos
2:arcs
3:all duffs
4: 3 ghol pus/mort combo

I've found this really easy to use

There's a pattern. The fewer presets, the better the player. 3 seems to be optimum.

As a person who used to play a lot of starcraft, i'm fine with a lot of presets. its fun to make different groups for specific purposes. But anymore than six and i cant reach that far

I regularly use 5-6 presets... what are you trying to say, wwo?

There's always exceptions. Do you still use alt+# or the one 8 added?

still using alt+#. old habits die hard.

alt # is the way to go. unless you can teach yourself to use alt # for changing formations. using preset recall and then selecting new formation is a more streamlined process though which is why i wont change.

BIG KROK V8 SS wrote:alt # is the way to go. unless you can teach yourself to use alt # for changing formations.

With alternate preset recall, formations are done with F # unless you mapped Set Formation to a different key.

that's even harder then.

Pyro wrote:

BIG KROK V8 SS wrote:alt # is the way to go. unless you can teach yourself to use alt # for changing formations.

With alternate preset recall, formations are done with F # unless you mapped Set Formation to a different key.

dunno how anyone could play like that, massively inefficient

I forgot to mention, it is not a key combo you have to hold. You press F and then # not hold both. It tends to only be useful if you recall presets more often than you change their formations. If you change formations more often than recall presets then the default is likely better for you.

Myrk wrote: dunno how anyone could play like that, massively inefficient

It's really not - I select presets more than I change formations, and "holding" things is always worse than press-then-press. Plus you get the double-tap recall+center goodness.

It takes some getting used to, but there's a reason why modern RTSes don't use the Myth control scheme and it's not because they are scared of how good it is...

Punk, when are you guys going to add voice activation commands?!?!?!?!

I wanna be screaming at my computer at 2 AM "PRESET 1!" "PRESET 4!!!!! "PRESET 3!!"

When you yell "FUCKING BULLSHIT!" It automagically rages quits!

Renwood wrote:Punk, when are you guys going to add voice activation commands?!?!?!?!

I wanna be screaming at my computer at 2 AM "PRESET 1!" "PRESET 4!!!!! "PRESET 3!!"

When you yell "FUCKING BULLSHIT!" It automagically rages quits!

good to see another happy xbox one user
but sad part - that will never happen
cause u fuckin fuck dipshit idiot face retard
doing nothing all day all night
and wasting welfare money
which basically sended to you by hard working americans
like cruniac
fckn die already