The proposed ball ratings

Aki · Post by **Aki** » 02 May 2013, 04:06

A ten ball system would just create more people bitching about how they're ranked n and should be ranked n-1 or n+1.

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 02 May 2013, 08:35

i agree with zak, i need to be 4 balls or even 3. you cant rate people based on potential if they wont have time to play enough to be even close to reaching it. i urge grim to watch the winter tourney films and see if he can rate me at 5 balls afterwards

cremisi · Post by **cremisi** » 02 May 2013, 09:39

I agree with zak and Tirri he is suking lately and no way he is even a 4 baller mb high 2 or low 3 balls so i am adding him to team assholes since we have room for a 4 or 3 baller

Pogue · Post by **Pogue** » 02 May 2013, 19:56

Aki wrote:A ten ball system would just create more people bitching about how they're ranked n and should be ranked n-1 or n+1.

I think we can all agree the only ten ballers are GKG and Adrenaline. Eastwind and Ghengis would be 9, everyone else is 8.9 and lower.

wwo · Post by **wwo** » 03 May 2013, 06:03

Pogue wrote:
Aki wrote:A ten ball system would just create more people bitching about how they're ranked n and should be ranked n-1 or n+1.
I think we can all agree the only ten ballers are GKG and Adrenaline. Eastwind and Ghengis would be 9, everyone else is 8.9 and lower.

Disagree.

grim · Post by **grim** » 04 May 2013, 08:08

Updated slightly.

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 08:44

it worked, now im 4 balls and can join the juggernaut zackharias team! little does grim know that he just got duped as just yesterday i trained myself to be a 5 baller again

grim · Post by **grim** » 04 May 2013, 08:45

Zak's team is far over the salary cap limit in any case and needs to cut peaples.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 08:47

We got fucked over pretty bad by this rating change.

Can you please drop ska or rabican to 3?

Nobody considers us a serious threat to the cup.

Asmodian · Post by **Asmodian** » 04 May 2013, 09:00

Ouch! The salary cap isn't doing you favors. Now you have to cut 2 of your 4 ballers or Adren (which I doubt would happen).

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » 04 May 2013, 10:01

Ska, cave, crc,rab are 3 not 4. Albeit high 3's (all these guys have zero care, massive rust and of course have not played a single game since last mwc pretty much)
Drunken is a 3 not a 2.
Enculator is probably a high 2 also, I think he got rated a 4 or 5 on a 10 scale for tws whcih was same rating
as scratch, renwood, masterchief, falcon etc who are 2's.

I'm a 2. Albeit a high 2. Honkey who is a low 3 will attest to this.

enculator · Post by **enculator** » 04 May 2013, 10:27

After seeing flatline play dota 2 (his special move here, is the famous tower diving), I agree with his own rating!

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 11:23

grim wrote:Zak's team is far over the salary cap limit in any case and needs to cut peaples.

we'll make cuts, but only after the final ratings change.

I don't think anyone honestly believes ska and rab are 4 ballers. You can't just give people a 4 just for legacy purposes, when they've been on a steady but gradual decline.

Some MWC 2012 TAs of Rabican:
Pogue: Rabican - Hilarious when drunk, which is usually often. 3 balls when drunk, 4 when not.
Dantski: rab - 3
Ghengis Khan: Rabican-really doesn't give a *cruiser* and neither should you. 3balls
HeadhunterH: Rabican - Old school player (like this entire team). ~3.7~
Paris: Rabican - hah! this fat drunk? 3 dunt rubs per hour
Homer: Will you be active again? A bone strat + a rabican strat = an abomination. 3

2 people did rate him 4.

Some MWC 2012 TAs of ska:
Dantski: ska - 3
Headhunter: ska - Pretty cool dude. Only started playing with Ska more over the last year or so. I would consider him an equal in Myth ability and would be happy to have him on a team. ~3.6~ Approved.

Asmo's ratings list has him at 3, nobody in that thread has disputed this so far.

Asmodian · Post by **Asmodian** » 04 May 2013, 15:55

rabican is a 4, he played at a 4 ball level in this tws tournament, but I do agree your team is getting screwed. According to my ratings your team would be allowed (other than one 3 baller you would have to cut). On the other hand Flatline is being biased as heck. Enculator is definitely not a 2 baller. Adren is not a 5. No one rated 5 is worth picking up with the salary cap handicap for the 5 ballers. The only one I would consider worth it is GKG because he captains as well.

For you people saying Cave is not a 4 anymore do you consider Ratking to be better than Cave?

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 16:07

How ironic that with all of zak's gusto defending the salary cap to supposedly even out the teams more, he is actually the most guilty for team stacking. That roster is stronger than NC's roster last year. Which is no surprise, because NC has always been the biggest perpetrators of team stacking which is why I left them.

Also, you have to use last mwc as the performance indicator for this year's mwc. It doesn't matter if people sucked during TWS. Care levels are completely different for mwc.

Asmodian · Post by **Asmodian** » 04 May 2013, 16:13

Lol, yeah this current NC roster is better than any of the rosters NC has had the past two years...
Why would you push a salary cap so hard and then try to pull off a team stack like this? dumb dumb dumb

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 16:30

Also I would have thought tirri would have joined with dantski, bone, and whoever else is left from his team last year to form a core for another top team. That would have been the competitive thing to do. It's too bad to see him just join the team that is the most over the salary cap already as it is. He must really want to win at all costs. So at 5 teams registered right now we pretty much have already seen all the top contending teams. I don't think there are enough good players to really form another one.

enculator · Post by **enculator** » 04 May 2013, 16:44

I'm a low 2 / high 1 ball, and I'll be playing on a samsung nc 10 (10 inch netbook), which should even lower my rating. So yeah enculator 1 ball !
Zak is 2 balls, ska and rab are good at chess but this is no mythchess tourney, so 3 balls maximum for em, flatline is sick, so 3 balls too. Our team is legit !

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 17:44

GiantKillerGen wrote:Also I would have thought tirri would have joined with dantski, bone, and whoever else is left from his team last year to form a core for another top team. That would have been the competitive thing to do. It's too bad to see him just join the team that is the most over the salary cap already as it is. He must really want to win at all costs.

oh brother, gkg is living in his own little lala-land and thinks everyone else is hell-bent on winning mwc. here's a newsflash buddy, we havent all been trying to form an mwc team since last year's mwc ended. here is what actually happened in my team finding process: i saw that mwc registration had started, went on myth and asked both limp and enc to get me on a team. enc delivered first and i joined without knowing excatly who was on the team.

you think i have the care or energy to go on a mission to try and find other unregistered players in hopes of forming another team? LOL

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 17:58

yea i would almost believe that except there was clearly no cap space on the roster you joined. and you are clearly fighting to stay on that roster.

I honestly don't care. I just thought it was amusing.

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 18:28

GiantKillerGen wrote:yea i would almost believe that except there was clearly no cap space on the roster you joined. and you are clearly fighting to stay on that roster.

i know it makes your +1100 games played seem less unbearable if you think everyone is just dying to win this thing, its ok buddy.

ill just keep beating a dead horse since ive already learned you dont respond well to logic and all this writing will be futile:
i didnt know what the salary cap space with my team was because a) i didnt know all who were in my team and b) i hadnt and still havent read how the salary cap works.
fighting to say on the roster? oh jesus. i saw from zak that the team was over salary cap so i asked grim to put me at 4 balls, you know as every other person except grim has rated me less than 5 balls, and grim immediately changed my rating. i know to your biased mind this looks like im desperate to stay on a good team to win an mwc. to any normal person with a grasp on reality, this is just a much easier option than trying to form another team from scrap with people i have been in no contact with

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 18:32

did you seriously just double down to try and convince me. jesus christ. WHO FUCKING CARES, shut the fuck up already. you are like talking to renwood now.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 18:53

Look GKG, I said I was in favor of a salary cap with a proper rating system, not this.

Our team isn't stacked, we've got maybe 3 good players then a bunch of mediocrity.

If you want to talk about roster violations, look at your own, since you have a 5 baller, then 3 people rated 4. Unlike you, however, I don't threaten to quit myth if my roster doesn't work out.

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 19:01

trolllllllllllllolololol

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 19:05

GiantKillerGen wrote:did you seriously just double down to try and convince me. jesus christ. WHO FUCKING CARES, shut the *cruiser* up already. you are like talking to renwood now.

nice reply. this is just the kind of thing ive grown to expect from you after anyone calls you out on one of your completely baseless and inane accusations, except you ran out of meaningful things to say even faster than i could imagine. see you next time you slur out something completely stupid about me

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 19:06

NC in 2012:

shai: 4
adren: 5
limp: 4
sam: 4
ska: 4
Nemesis: 4
Zak: 3
August: 3
Captain: 3
Blard: 3
Sevendust: 3

But we're stacking even harder this year... lol

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 19:12

I just said what I think. My opinion remains unchanged. Too bad.

Asmodian · Post by **Asmodian** » 04 May 2013, 19:17

shai: 4 = shai
adren: 5 = adren
limp: 4 < rabican
sam: 4 < tirri
ska: 4 = ska
Nemesis: 4 never showed
Zak: 3 = zak
August: 3 < Flatline
Captain: 3 never showed
Blard: 3 < enculator
Sevendust: 3 wtf?

I would be perfectly fine with your current team being approved as I would enjoy the challenge, but your team this year (if it were allowed) is much stronger than your team last year without a question.

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 19:25

GiantKillerGen wrote:I just said what I think. My opinion remains unchanged. Too bad.

i know buddy, i already had this covered earlier: ill just keep beating a dead horse since ive already learned you dont respond well to logic and all this writing will be futile

my posts were mostly for people who might believe you but then respond to logic instead. now run along to practise some more myth cause to me it looks like everyone is stacking teams and just itching to win this mwc. better put gkg mode really on this time

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 19:32

yes tirri, you already showed your care. mission accomplished.

zak, argue you it however you want, the team rosters are very similar in quality. Meanwhile, every other top team has gotten considerably weaker. So how do you explain your support for evening out the teams more with a salary cap? lol....

Like I said, I just think it is very amusing.

tirri · Post by **tirri** » 04 May 2013, 19:45

GiantKillerGen wrote:yes tirri, you already showed your care. mission accomplished.

i have always shown a lot of care toward correcting people when they say stupid things about me. remember how i called you out on lying about my age for example and using it for some stupid argument. this behavior is hardly a secret about me and rest assured you will usually get a response if you say some silly lies about me. however if you think that its indication of me caring about winning this mwc, well its just the kind of illogical deduction that seem to come naturally to you but im always happy to correct you

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:03

Asmo wrote:shai: 4 = shai
adren: 5 = adren
limp: 4 < rabican
sam: 4 < tirri
ska: 4 = ska
Nemesis: 4 never showed
Zak: 3 = zak
August: 3 < Flatline
Captain: 3 never showed
Blard: 3 < enculator
Sevendust: 3 wtf?

You honestly believe rab is better than limp? lol
Captain did show up, for at least 3/4 of our games. It doesn't matter if nemesis never showed if he was on the roster. There is no guarantee that ska, rab, tirri, or flat will make games, considering their level of interest in MWC and conflicting time zones/work schedules.

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:04

Yes I am sure I so matter of factly stated that that I knew your age for certain and these claims of anonymous player's ages on an online forum are admissable in a court of law. It is really funny that you remember that though, some serious butthurt showing there.

Yes and I am happy to correct you too like I did earlier when you make bullshit statements about who beat who in 1v1s. Which really in all honesty, is a far more relevant topic than talking about than ages or personal motivations of joining a team. Plus it can actually be proven unlike anything else we are talking about.

Keep on trying to sway public opinion about yourself though. Or "correcting" as you call it.

East Wind tmnt · Post by **East Wind tmnt** » 04 May 2013, 20:07

Well it just makes things more interesting gkg.

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:08

Well zak, nemesis hadn't ever been seen or active for at least a couple years at the time he was added to the NC roster. Ska, rab, tirri, and flat on the other hand, all have been active in the last year. Only ska hasn't shown since last mwc, the rest all played even in the most recent tourney. So until they miss an MWC, it is pretty obvious that they can be counted upon to show up again. That is a pretty delusional argument you are making.

Are you really trying to argue that that roster is not very similar in quality as NC's last year?

You still didn't answer my question, I am waiting.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:10

GiantKillerGen wrote:zak, argue you it however you want, the team rosters are very similar in quality. Meanwhile, every other top team has gotten considerably weaker. So how do you explain your support for evening out the teams more with a salary cap? lol....

Like I said, I just think it is very amusing.

Agents and TMNT both have better rosters than us, so do you really want to talk about stacking teams? You're already in violation of the cap, and honestly if rab/ska are 4, then asmo should be a 4 too. If there were no cap, you would rank all your players excluding yourself, 4.

Same applies to Agents, browning is definitely a 4, and PK is a low 4 as well.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:11

GiantKillerGen wrote: You still didn't answer my question, I am waiting.

We're not monopolizing skill at all, this is a group of players being unfairly overrated due to legacy.

You added 2 team builders to your team, who on our team is going to build a roster from scratch?

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:12

damn, even dac is a 4 now. LOL

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:14

GiantKillerGen wrote:So until they miss an MWC, it is pretty obvious that they can be counted upon to show up again. That is a pretty delusional argument you are making.

There are tons of factors affecting player attendance. Tirri missed many games for team zak by showing up half an hour late. He and Rab play matches in the middle of the night, and flatline plays at 4 AM.

If their care is low why would they have good attendance rates?

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:14

Yea the only difference here zak is that I never argued for a salary cap, I want it removed. Also I made my team before ever knowing about a salary cap.

Both points that don't apply to you.

Are you honestly trying to argue that your current team roster is not similar in quality as NC's roster last year?

And are you honestly trying to argue that my current team roster is similar in quality as SP's roster last year?

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:16

GKG why are you so scared of our team?

I argued for a salary cap with a group of people making ratings, not somebody who doesn't give a shit and refuses to discuss player ratings.

I made my team with the intention of fitting within the salary cap, however my belief of what would be allowed was more flexible than what grim wants to do.

Are you honestly trying to argue that TMNT and Agents are less stacked than we are?

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:21

GiantKillerGen wrote: Are you honestly trying to argue that your current team roster is not similar in quality as NC's roster last year?

Do you honestly think this is a fair comparison, considering that we had the weakest roster of the top 3 teams?

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:21

I am not scared of your team, like EW says, it makes things more interesting. I made my team with the intention of trying to go up against teams like yours.

I am pointing out your hypocrisy for all the world to see.

A salary cap that is even more loose than grim's current guidelines basically doesn't do anything at all at that point. All the top teams from last year would fit under it then in that case.

I also wanted to see how far your delusion would good. To infinity it seems.

Agent's is definitely less stacked than both of our teams, yes.

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:23

You placed 3rd last year. Your roster was clearly competitive and a clear contender for the cup last year, losing in a close BB finals match. It doesn't matter if it MIGHT be argued that it was slightly weaker or not.

So yes, it is a very fair comparison.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:25

GiantKillerGen wrote:I am not scared of your team, like EW says, it makes things more interesting. I made my team with the intention of trying to go up against teams like yours.

Yet you're blatantly attempting to dismantle our team by arguing players like rabican and ska are 4 ballers.

GiantKillerGen wrote:I also wanted to see how far your delusion would good. To infinity it seems.

You're just as batshit crazy as raz was, and twice as delusional.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:27

GiantKillerGen wrote:You placed 3rd last year. Your roster was clearly competitive and a clear contender for the cup last year, losing in a close BB finals match. It doesn't matter if it MIGHT be argued that it was slightly weaker or not.

So yes, it is a very fair comparison.

Slightly weaker? are you fucking kidding me?

Take the team that lost 6-1 in MWC11 finals, add more rust, remove some care, take away 2 players rated 4 balls. That makes us about as competitive as the Raz team formations from 2006-2008. Guaranteed to be the worst of the best teams.

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:28

Where did I say anything that would imply I was trying to dismantle your team?

I could post a bunch of quotes though of me trying to say that teams like yours should be allowed.

Speaking of delusional...

Giant Killer General · Post by **Giant Killer General** » 04 May 2013, 20:28

You lost the BB finals 3-2, to the later championship team. It doesn't get any closer than that.

DELUSIONAL

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:30

GiantKillerGen wrote:Where did I say anything that would imply I was trying to dismantle your team?

Speaking of delusional...

If thats what you were trying to do, why would you say it outright? You're intimidated by our drunk, inactive, rabble team and are doing your best to keep us out of the tournament.

Zak · Post by **Zak** » 04 May 2013, 20:31

GiantKillerGen wrote:You lost the BB finals 3-2, to the later championship team. It doesn't get any closer than that.

DELUSIONAL

Yeah, you guys played really bad in 2 games, and we had some good teamwork. That doesn't mean our rosters compared to yours or grims.