Jerk infestation

[Pogue]

So, you still had to edit it TWICE to dumb it down.....how considerate. Too bad you didn't have that care factor and need to help out the community when you were an admin.

[wwo]

Not sure I get you here. Are you talking about not joining into a double-team or triple-team against a neighbor (with terrible luck)? It's war, if for LITTLE unit cost or time spent I can help annihilate someone that later might snipe at me, or contest with me once I've been weakened, why wouldn't I?

It's always a situational call, but your example is terrible. You're always going to be better off letting that combat finish before joining in, unless it's just a vastly better player vetting up on a scrub and you know that doubling is the only way you can deal with that guy, or need to deny him said vets by doubling the scrub. Just know that doing so is going to make you look like a jerk to the scrub in the latter case, and in the former, your elimination will be that player's "gametype" until the lesson is learned.

[par73]

Not at all. The guy is playing the objective, capturing flags. Maybe they have a crappy strategy, maybe they don't (depends what the other players are doing), but definitely not a jerk.

Can't win CTF without a flag buddy

That noob who goes across the map is going to lose all of those games of gimble CTF until they realize they shouldn't be going that way (plain and simple). Suddenly you have that opponent's opponent to fight (hopefully they knocked the shit out of them) as well as the one you forgot about (who will linger around the map and not have to take any damage until mid-game)

Like I said, make up all the meta-rules/modes you want and by all means enjoy them but you're not going to convince me that they're anything worth spending time on.

I wasn't attempting to convince anyone they were worth spending time on, I was explaining why those CTF rules were in place and the irony that doubling someone in a shitty gimble CTF game while leaving another player open to take your flag without losing any units was a "jerk move" as well as "absolute stupidity"

[vinylrake]

So, you still had to edit it TWICE to dumb it down.....how considerate. Too bad you didn't have that care factor and need to help out the community when you were an admin.

putting aside your om-mancrush, even if you took all the most legendarily horrible admins from bnet up through mariusnet and combined them together they haven't hurt the community anywhere near as much as the asshat players who drove away new players and long-time players who got tired of dealing with so much harrassment and other juvenile shit every time they went online to play a game.

i am curious though, since you didn't say admins did anything bad and only said that they didn't "help out" - what is it you think admins should have done?

[BIG KROK V8 SS]

LOL MATTHEW "500 POUNDER" MCGODDAMN GODDARD

[jason_ac]

It's always a situational call, but your example is terrible.

It was your example, not mine. And yes, it's a situational call. But if that unlucky player is going to manage to retreat a few units and escape, I'd rather just wipe him out (& get some vetting in the process). If it's a scrub, they'll have to learn this is a war game. If it's an egotistical vet who thinks they're too good to be treated that way, and would rather then hateplay, fine, I'll be BCing (& practicing my micro-managing skills ) until one of us gets bored with that. I'm never going to accept the stupid "lesson" they believe I ought to be "learning". The only thing they'll be teaching me is how egotistical they are.

[jason_ac]

Can't win CTF without a flag buddy

Yep. Like I said, maybe it's a crappy strategy, depending upon what other players do, doesn't make them a jerk. Maybe they left units behind, maybe they didn't, maybe someone goes for his flag, maybe he gets lucky and no one does. Bad strategy <> jerk.

[par73]

seems like doubling people in a gimble ctf would be a <0> strategy, buddy

[jason_ac]

seems like doubling people in a gimble ctf would be a <0> strategy, buddy

<0> is irrelevant. It's a game. If it works out as a double, so what? As long as people are good sports, and trying to play the objective, everything else is irrelevant...ganging-up, cowering, running away, retreating, camping. If it results in a win, then it was a good choice, and if it doesn't, then it was a bad choice, so get better, re-think, and try again. If that's the only way someone can win, so what, that's their skill level for now.

[par73]

if people are trying to play the objective why would you give up your flag to backdoor another player, only to get banged on by their opponent and your former opponent later in the game. I don't think that is going to win anyone any games, in fact it only prolongs your loss. it becomes a meta-objective to screw over another player and give another player a huge advantage by giving them two CTF flags without having to fight for the second flag. I don't think this is being a good sport at all, and is more likely to convince the player who got doubled to log out of myth for the rest of the night (kudos to this logic).

post me a film where this strategy has worked out, do it. I dare you, and i'd love to view it. hell you've practically convinced me to try this out every gimble CTF game i play from now on (but in no way, with my experience, could one conclude such actions would make me a 'good sport').

i get that ffa's are whatever's and excuse me for stating a simple fact that should shave off your learning curve by about a months worth of trial and error (which is more like 3 months in 2014). when you're in a FFA, you're against everyone. if people are teaming up to benefit other players, its not necessarily a "FFA" anymore.

[Pogue]

i am curious though, since you didn't say admins did anything bad and only said that they didn't "help out" - what is it you think admins should have done?

Well for starters you could have stopped being an admin and made someone who knew and dealt with the community on a regular basis like Paris the job. But, whatever mnet is dead, blah, blah, blah, and you and Sue probably need to start preparing for all the buffets you're gonna hit up this summer, don't let me waste anymore of your time.

[jason_ac]

if people are trying to play the objective why would you give up your flag to backdoor another player, only to get banged on by their opponent and your former opponent later in the game.

I never said it was a good strategy. Let me say it a 3rd time, since it didn't seem to register the 1st 2 times. Unskilled/bad strategy <> jerk.

>more likely to convince the player who got doubled to log out of myth for the rest of the night (kudos to this logic).

I doubt anyone would be surprised if, in a random FFA, they once in a while had bad luck or a random double-team. If they felt persecuted from that 1 turn of events...then they have some issues. If they go back, study the film, decide it was "unfair", and decide that it was the result of ill intent rather than bad luck or bad strategy on other players' parts...then they still have issues.

>post me a film where this strategy has worked out, do it. I dare you

Should I say it a 4th time? Unskilled/bad strategy <> jerk.

Though if there are enough inexperienced people in a game who don't play the way you've decided everyone needs to play, it might work fine. Not that I'm recommending the strategy.

>when you're in a FFA, you're against everyone.

Yep. And you'll quite sensibly temporarily "team up" if you believe it advances your own goals more than it advances the other player. And you might be wrong in thinking so, or you might be right. But either way, it doesn't make you a jerk.

[Magic Jane]

Thanks for mentioning all the people, who were singing above the noise, with useful information and tips. The people who were helping you to assimilate into the community appreciate your regards to their efforts. But as always, in life and monkeys, three idiots get more of your effort than the ten normal people who were assisting you. Interesting..
I thought that two team gohl stuff was a riot!
LMAO. V-8 porn bust from the boss

[CES99]

This has just devolved into an argument about whether or not attacking a farther flag in CTF is "against the rules" or not. We've already established that it's a bad strategy, but it isn't cheating or ruining the game for everyone. Trying to impose some pseudo rules on top of the stated rules of the game is exactly the kind of thing that makes new players quit because some old timey M2 players who are on their one millionth CTF game get screwed once and just cry about it for the rest of the day. We're not talking about new players that ignore the objective and treat every game like BC (this happend on KOTH all the time), we're talking about bad strategies that are met with complaints and verbal assaults even though they're perfectly fair strategies.

[Magic Jane]

we're talking about bad strategies that are met with complaints and verbal assaults even though they're perfectly fair strategies.

Attacking a flag out of order, on some maps, isn't a fair strategy. It's rude actually. On Gimble, some consider it rude to attack if you've won your flag but their fights not over.

[Magic Jane]

I've waited 15 minutes to play a game, on a crappy laggy mars host, and 2 minutes into the game; Some johnny come lately ruins the game, by off setting the balance of the match, with his idea about how we play games at this park. Hmm. Is it amazing that people get upset?
They've already established that it was cheating and in bad taste so.. Don't do that anymore, because it's not a strategy, unless part of your plan is to win by, well.. cheating.

[par73]

dantski brought up a great point

FFA games with CTF as a gametype are stupid
not to mention, probably considered cheating in some hemispheres


FFA CTF games fall into the category of Raid Koth, any Raid game that has unit trading enabled, and clash/cracks assassin/ctf

[jason_ac]

Attacking a flag out of order, on some maps, isn't a fair strategy. It's rude actually.

It would be an honest attempt to achieve the objective, therefore fair. Maybe not a good strategy, maybe not a winning one, but it still IS a strategy, and it's the one the player chose to try to win the objective. Therefore, not the slightest bit rude.

>"On Gimble, some consider it rude to attack if you've won your flag but their fights not over."

It's a war game. Nothing is rude except personal things like racist slurs, etc. If they're trying to achieve the objective (however poorly), no gameplay they're doing can be rude.

>"Some johnny come lately ruins the game, by off setting the balance of the match, with his idea about how we play games at this park."

That's right, his idea about he can best win (I'm only talking about players that actually do want to achieve the objective, no matter how unskilled). You don't like his strategy? Adapt & overcome, learn your opponents, use them against each other, etc.

>Is it amazing that people get upset?

Yes, it is. It's a war game. Adapt & overcome, don't bitch.

>They've already established that it was cheating and in bad taste so..

No, no one has established that it's cheating, or in bad taste. Because it's neither.

If you want to give someone strategy advice or rules, or tell them where to read them, or post them yourself in a forum, by all means, do so. But don't expect anyone to adhere to your advice, or your preferred meta-rules. If it's good strategy advice, and they're smart, they'll follow it. If they think the rules make the game more fun, they'll follow them, if not, they won't.

[Pogue]

>They've already established that it was cheating and in bad taste so..

No, no one has established that it's cheating, or in bad taste. Because it's neither.

Needless to say, if you did that to certain players, you'd get hate played not for just a couple of games, but ever single time they played in a game with you. Hogkiller can attest to that.

[vinylrake]

Well for starters you could have stopped being an admin and made someone who knew and dealt with the community on a regular basis like Paris the job. But, whatever mnet is dead, ...

So having someone you liked as admin would have solved all of mariusnet's problems?

lol.

[vinylrake]

...Needless to say, if you did that to certain players, you'd get hate played not for just a couple of games, but ever single time they played in a game with you. Hogkiller can attest to that.

Bottom line: If you don't want to play CTF, don't play it. But if you DO CHOOSE to play it don't try to make other people follow your ideas for how it should be played - even if all your friends play it a certain way. If the host wants to set the rules ahead of time that's cool, but if not, a FFA game is a FFA game and that includes the possibility of being double or even triple teamed. Man up and deal with it or go back to BC where everything is more "fair".

If the only game types you feel comfortable playing are games that in essence are just a series of 1v1 BC matchups then play 1v1 BC or 2 team BC don't try to force everyone else to play the only gametype you are comfortable with. In other words, learn to play the different gametypes or just admit you are a mono-player.

(The above is not directed at you Pogue, it's just a response to your comment about people who do this)

[wwo]

we're talking about bad strategies that are met with complaints and verbal assaults even though they're perfectly fair strategies.

Then I missed the point and pretty much made the koth<>bc argument.

[Pogue]

Well for starters you could have stopped being an admin and made someone who knew and dealt with the community on a regular basis like Paris the job. But, whatever mnet is dead, ...

So having someone you liked as admin would have solved all of mariusnet's problems?

lol. Unless we played on different mariusnets, from what I heard only mnet's owner got to choose admins. That you seem to think one of the regular
admins - who face it, were as far as I ever saw really just forum/gameserver moderators - gives a good glimpse into just how ignorant you are on this whole topic. But from your other comments it's pretty clear this is only one of a number of subjects that for some reason you think you know something about - but which you are in reality completely clueless about.

Can't we just agree that you're bitter that anyone would have the temerity to question your less than stellar tenure as admin and move on? Lets be friends and play some Coon Bros.

[vinylrake]

Can't we just agree that you're bitter that anyone would have the temerity to question your less than stellar tenure as admin and move on? Lets be friends and play some Coon Bros.

I have nothing to be bitter about, so no I am not bitter at all, I just find it amusing that you blame (someone you think is an admin) for mariusnet's problems but when asked what the 'admin' could have done better your only response is that the person could have quit and let and your friend be an admin. That my friend is very amusing - for a number of reasons.

Actually there are lots of other things you have said that I find amusing too, but they're too numerous to get into - we'd be here all day.

[Magic Jane]

Gimble ctf is a ladder game; You win that round, take your vets, move on to the next.
It's true that it is a FFA game and other games, such as float, are not played under the same rules. But that's the way we like it!

[vinylrake]

As long as everyone is aware of the host's "rules" that's fine - players have the option of leaving before the game starts if they don't want to play by the host's "rules".

But it's way beyond lame to rag on players or abuse them when they don't follow "rules" no one told them about.

[jason_ac]

Needless to say, if you did that to certain players, you'd get hate played not for just a couple of games, but ever single time they played in a game with you. Hogkiller can attest to that.

Well, I'm not saying *I'm* going to play that way. But, if someone does (like any non-vet), and some egotistical, warped vet decides that since the newbie didn't follow some secret, arbitrary, re-definition of the game the vet likes, they're going to hateplay that newbie until they leave Myth forever...then the vet has a severe attitude problem, and doesn't understand what an "FFA war game" is, and is part of the problem of Myth retaining new players.

[jason_ac]

Gimble ctf is a ladder game; You win that round, take your vets, move on to the next.
It's true that it is a FFA game and other games, such as float, are not played under the same rules. But that's the way we like it!

Play it any way you like. With people that understand your re-definition of the game and agree with it. And if a game is started without everyone first saying they understand and agree with the re-definition, then accept it's a *real* FFA, so adapt & overcome, instead of bitching with no grounds to do so. And be ready for everything to get all screwed-up (since not everyone is playing by the same extra rules). If you want to re-define the game and have it not be an FFA game, then the responsibility is on you to make sure everyone understands and accepts the new gametype you've created.

If someone told me we all had to follow the strategy they dictate, that would at first sound ridiculously lame to me...like they can't deal with the realities of an FFA war game. But maybe if I tried it your way you'd convince me it's more fun that way. I've certainly played other videogames with re-defined rules for fun or a change of pace.

[argos]

If someone told me we all had to follow the strategy they dictate, that would at first sound ridiculously lame to me...like they can't deal with the realities of an FFA war game. But maybe if I tried it your way you'd convince me it's more fun that way. I've certainly played other videogames with re-defined rules for fun or a change of pace.

This is the exact argument that could be applied to people like CES (the OP) coming on myth and trying to tell you the definition of what a jerk is and how you need to straighten up and "be nice" (means a variety of things to a variety of people) or you get booted. THE INTERNET DOESNT REALLY HAVE RULES, YO. I also feel like CES is actually one of those <0> guys in disguise. If so, this would make so much more sense.

[jason_ac]

This is the exact argument that could be applied to people like CES (the OP) coming on myth and trying to tell you the definition of what a jerk is and how you need to straighten up and "be nice" (means a variety of things to a variety of people) or you get booted. THE INTERNET DOESNT REALLY HAVE RULES, YO.

Interesting point. To me there's a difference between how you play the game, and how you treat the people. And there often are rules, which all of us have likely seen before...forum rules, online gameplay rules (i.e.--Terms of Service for using an online server may say it's a violation to be racially insulting, etc).

But yeah, to some people a room filled with personal insults, racist slurs, swears, and players going ballistic and getting very verbally abusive is an unpleasant, un-fun environment to play in, and to others, that's part of what makes it fun. It does seem like the former outnumber the latter, at least in the Net overall. Maybe not in Myth

The difference is, a host like CES (or me), if you violate their "act decent" rules (which likely every player has run into before), they'll likely say "cut it out or get booted". These egotistical vets, if you violate their gameplay redefinitions (which likely you've never heard of before), they'll say "you goddamn cheating piece of shit idiot n00b" and then hateplay you for the rest of their life. I bet the latter pushes more newbies out of the community than the former.

[Myrk]

I really don't get how Myth gets a single new player at this stage in its life cycle. It's safe to assume a lot of 'new' players are probably just people on smurf accounts.

[jason_ac]

I really don't get how Myth gets a single new player at this stage in its life cycle. It's safe to assume a lot of 'new' players are probably just people on smurf accounts.

I believe punk has seen some newbies come & go via the chat logs, I've heard others say they see newbies, in my autohost I've seen new people (who not only say they're brand-new, they play like it, and don't even know what the game objectives are, like flag rally), I've helped a few returnees who have been gone for years get back into the current state of things, and just in the past week I've gotten 2 people to download the demo (both friends IRL).

[CES99]

This is the exact argument that could be applied to people like CES (the OP) coming on myth and trying to tell you the definition of what a jerk is and how you need to straighten up and "be nice" (means a variety of things to a variety of people) or you get booted. THE INTERNET DOESNT REALLY HAVE RULES, YO.

Interesting point. To me there's a difference between how you play the game, and how you treat the people. And there often are rules, which all of us have likely seen before...forum rules, online gameplay rules (i.e.--Terms of Service for using an online server may say it's a violation to be racially insulting, etc).

But yeah, to some people a room filled with personal insults, racist slurs, swears, and players going ballistic and getting very verbally abusive is an unpleasant, un-fun environment to play in, and to others, that's part of what makes it fun. It does seem like the former outnumber the latter, at least in the Net overall. Maybe not in Myth

The difference is, a host like CES (or me), if you violate their "act decent" rules (which likely every player has run into before), they'll likely say "cut it out or get booted". These egotistical vets, if you violate their gameplay redefinitions (which likely you've never heard of before), they'll say "you goddamn cheating piece of shit idiot n00b" and then hateplay you for the rest of their life. I bet the latter pushes more newbies out of the community than the former.

In fact argos, there are rules to these forums and GOS. When you register as a user on GOS or forum member, "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Gate of Storms.net” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that “Gate of Storms.net” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit."

So mods have the right, at their discretion, to "tell you the definition of a what a jerk is" or what is considered inappropriate despite how much you disagree. They can remove and edit your words however they see fit. In the same way I have the right (not as a mod, but as a member of this community) to single out particular players that I and many others consider antagonistic to new players, bad losers and winners, and all-around disagreeable members of the community. I'm not denying them the right to play, or that they should be permabanned. I'm advocating for collective community action against players that ruin the game for many of us. I'm looking for a way for the group (in any given game) to have control over whether or not they're forced to play in games where these people continually rejoin to cause trouble. Of course the host can boot, but this isn't an option for auto-hosts.

What I think most people have a problem with me saying here is that there are abusive players that make playing M2 a shitty experience for many of us, and that these players refuse to admit that they are part of a community with other players to whom they are responsible. "It's the internet so I can say whatever I want" is the lamest excuse I've ever read for justifying behavior. You certainly can say what you want, but don't pretend that being an obnoxious ass to everyone almost all the time won't have repercussions over the long run. Someone who says "just tell me if I'm being an ass" is not going to change his/her behavior via PM. And anyone coming on complaining that new users suck and should learn the rules and get better w/out someone else helping them is just delusional. The only way to improve against an actual human opponent is playing with others and watching how others play. Why is it no surprise that these same veteran players who harass new players for not playing well never offer to help the new players get better? Is it because they're worried that the new player might actually beat them at some point and ruin their already fragile sense of pride over an online video game?

[vinylrake]

...

In fact argos, there are rules to these forums and GOS. When you register as a user on GOS or forum member, "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “Gate of Storms.net” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. ...

So mods have the right, at their discretion, to "tell you the definition of a what a jerk is" or what is considered inappropriate despite how much you disagree. They can remove and edit your words however they see fit. ...

What I think most people have a problem with me saying here is that there are abusive players that make playing M2 a shitty experience for many of us, and that these players refuse to admit that they are part of a community with other players to whom they are responsible. "It's the internet so I can say whatever I want" is the lamest excuse I've ever read for justifying behavior. ...

Wow, you sound like an admin, are you sure you aren't om or one of the mariusnet admins using a dummy account?

[wwo]

You're projecting. A tired ad hominem like "egotistical" isn't helping your cause. The "rules" in question have been around for 99% of the game's life itself. Only new players or players who never played competitively wouldn't know (of) them. Since hundreds of new players have come and stayed, they must have adapted in some way, likely by learning how to deal with the rules or the people using them. I can't tell if you're advocating for better sportsmanship or against how others prefer to play, so my devil's advocacy may be at an end. I usually argue for your stance, and if you do a much worse job of it, I may again.

[jason_ac]

A tired ad hominem like "egotistical" isn't helping your cause.

Perhaps egotistical isn't the right word. But someone who gets hatefully verbally abusive at a new player that doesn't know some secret game re-definition has some kind of problem. Perhaps just that they have the maturity of a 12yr old.

>Only new players

We've posted over & over that we're talking about new players.

>or players who never played competitively wouldn't know (of) them.

Oh? So you're claiming 100% of online players have played FFA CTF, and 100% of games used this redefinition, and 100% of players have run into it & learned it & liked it, and the game redefinition has been there for 16 years, and it has never changed, and, of course, will remember the redefinition 16 years later?

Ok. So what about new players, or ones who only played solo or co-op or 2-team or anything but FFA CTF? Are they supposed to know secret game re-definitions as well?

>Since hundreds of new players have come and stayed, they must have adapted in some way, likely by learning how to deal with the rules

Or maybe they didn't play FFA CTF, or not 100% of FFA CTF uses that redefinition, or they rejected the redefinition.

>I can't tell if you're advocating for better sportsmanship or against how others prefer to play

I don't mind how others prefer to play. I did write "Play it any way you like. With people that understand your re-definition of the game and agree with it."

I mind if they abuse people for not knowing they're supposed to follow some secret redefinition of what "FFA" means.

[vinylrake]

...Since hundreds of new players have come and stayed,...

Are there really hundreds of currently active online Myth players on GoS who play Gimble/Gyre CTF in 1v1 ladder form?

[BIG KROK V8 SS]

i haven't read anything in this thread.

[par73]

GoS is falling down the same path as marius.net, that the server doesn't host or sponsor any events. which is

[punkUser]

GoS is falling down the same path as marius.net, that the server doesn't host or sponsor any events

http://forum.gateofstorms.net/viewforum.php?f=69 ?? http://gateofstorms.net/tournaments ??
Besides you don't need "the server" to "host" events. Anyone in the community can do that just fine and as you damn well know I've always been happy to make forums and set up tournaments on the site for whatever random stuff people come up with whether they end up being MWC or 2-person ordeals.

Par you've turned into a real baby lately. Not a positive trait for the TWS organizer...

[jason_ac]

GoS is falling down the same path as marius.net, that the server doesn't host or sponsor any events. which is

They're hosted here, and they're featured here (forums, bluebar), what else is punk supposed to do? Create them? Isn't punk already doing enough by creating the server, maintaining it, and improving it? If people want more tourneys, they should step up and make them happen

[par73]

I was just making a note that GoS should host some sort of event on their own behalf sometime, whether a tournament or fundraiser, something that could be useful and worthwhile for those involved. Playmyth and Bungie both did, marius missed out.

thanks for being so snappy, jesus. go get laid for fucks sake

[jason_ac]

Ah, I was thrown off by your sentiment of "...which is sad", which is normally a criticizing sentiment. Well I think both you & I have suggested fundraisers before to punk (which is presumably the only thing that would truly benefit him), and if he feels the need to do one, I imagine he will someday.

[punkUser]

Meh, I'd still argue that GoS has "hosted" pretty much all the tournaments in the past year. Don't think there's much more for these events that I can do that someone else with more time couldn't do as well/better.

[par73]

Hey I just wanted to post this here in case you missed it in your inbox a month ago

[Pogue]

Hot damn Jason is snappy with his replies. He should be running this joint.

[punkUser]

Hey I just wanted to post this here in case you missed it in your inbox a month ago

Yes I'll be creating them this week. Was not missed (pretty sure I replied), just do not like creating them too early before the team member churn has died down as it creates a lot of wasted work.

In preparation, please make sure the teams posted in the TWS thread list the exact usernames for the players so I can copy/paste. If not, that will create additional delays and issues, and I've made this request clear in the past.

i.e. I'm happy to create team forums, but I'm not happy to baby their membership for the month leading up to a tournament based on player whims. Poor use of time

[Myrk]

Kickball woulda been a good weekly thing but people weren't showing up for it.

[par73]

what CES really looks like

[Zak]

if people are trying to play the objective why would you give up your flag to backdoor another player, only to get banged on by their opponent and your former opponent later in the game. I don't think that is going to win anyone any games, in fact it only prolongs your loss. it becomes a meta-objective to screw over another player and give another player a huge advantage by giving them two CTF flags without having to fight for the second flag. I don't think this is being a good sport at all, and is more likely to convince the player who got doubled to log out of myth for the rest of the night (kudos to this logic).

post me a film where this strategy has worked out, do it. I dare you, and i'd love to view it. hell you've practically convinced me to try this out every gimble CTF game i play from now on (but in no way, with my experience, could one conclude such actions would make me a 'good sport')..

I used to do this all the time, not going to post films but its a viable strategy that has won me plenty of gimble ctf games