Giant Killer General wrote:
Oh and nice attempt paris to justify your desperation in clinging to made-up rules. You wanted me to play but you also tried to ban me from playing? Which one is it? You are contradicting yourself. Even your own teammates can't defend you on this (and they are just happy they walked away with the win regardless). Nobody is buying the bullshit you are selling.
The real story is this: you "obliged" only after being threatened by the finalist team to boycott the finals match as you tried to force them to play 5v7 without me. Apparently you forgot that the TO of an 18-year old computer game tournament with only a dozen or so competitive players left has no real power, and just needed a friendly reminder. And this is not the first time. It is a recurring pattern for you in each of your tournaments as my teams have had to repeatedly give you such reminders leading up to the finals in response to whatever new bullshit you are trying to pull at the time under the guise of being the "TO." Kind of an important detail you missed there. So you didn't "let me play." I let myself play.
I guess that's the difference between you as a TO and nearly everyone else that has ever TO'd tournaments though. Everyone else's priority is to just make sure the matches are competitive and fair (especially for the tournament finals) to preserve the integrity / legitimacy of their tournament, which also helps to support the long-term continuation of the competitive community which has been in decline for some time. You prioritize shitty made-up rules to ban competitive players from participating so as to force 5v7 matches to your team's benefit, even for the tournament finals. As you said yourself, you don't care how many players show up. Such a great attitude to have as a TO. And apparently you don't even care about those that do show up if they didn't follow your "rules" (and even if there are no complaints and everyone else wants them to play). Nice call bro.
Anywho, just wanted to clear that up for everyone. It's always a nice TO job when a finalist team has to threaten to boycott the finals match of the tournament. Another quality, paris-run, tournament experience for the players. I am sure everyone can look forward to more of the same for this MWC.
Good stuff gkg,
You seem to view the position of TO as a notable power trip and felt I was crossing that line giving you resistance because you asked to be removed from the tournament officially and suddenly "felt the need" to rejoin the tournament and participate. If I'm hosting an event for 50+ people I tend to prioritize the event around those who commit to be involved, and not for those who may show up for the "glorious finish line" that I don't know if they will be involved or not.
2/3 of the remaining teams had an issue with the rules at that point, it was the same rule about roster deadlines, and the needs of the teams trumped the rule in that case. Please tell me more about "protecting the integrity / legitimacy" of my tournament when one allows players to step over the guidelines they created for that tournament... that is catch-22 and you are no doubt correct I was in a situation of contradicting myself. deadlines bro, even tcox and bia2 failed to reach them.
despite the fact every other team had the same amount of time to build a team roster as vaalbara and they played most of their matches underhanded regardless, and Vaalbara didn't have any issues beating us undermanned when you weren't playing for them. I don't see how 5v7, 6v7 "finals" matches ruin the competition, especially when players have dropped from finals/semi-finals games for almost two decades. In modern tournaments with less competitive players, there is a substitute system in place to involve any present and willing spectators to the tournament upon the teams agreement.
Both teams had the same amount of time to build rosters that could show up for the in-game maximum for match times, teams are penalized. The challenge is greater for the team with less players sometimes, but the triumph comes with a greater share of the whole. One of the ways the substitute system works in part with the roster deadline is players can conditionally participate regardless of making the deadline or not.
I think Asmo could build a more formidable team with better strategies than Vaalbara was able to put on display regardless, which means more competition for Syn. Same for limp but I think he's looking to have a myth commitment free summer such as yourself this year. Without practice they both captained a thrashing of Syn in that first match, once you "took over" and captained their remaining games they leaned on you working on strategies alone in empty rooms on gos.net and it did not work out as efficiently. I think you could have done better if some of your teammates were with you as well.
Every team and player had been following the rules I created like the scheduling, the maps, posted guidelines etc. The biggest complaints I had aside from yours was about the use of the substitute system as the early eliminated teams felt it gave them less of a chance to be competitive, and the dropped host situation.
You can keep pretending every player in the tournament or every player on either team in the finals initially wanted you to play, but I don't think anyone believes that to be true except for you.
I think you forget your initial contribution to the tournament was a dropped host game between syn and vaal starting your initial dramatic entrance into the tournament.
The irony here?
The game you neutral hosted that was unfortunately dropped was the same game which ended the deadline.
Had you given the tournament a chance, and signed up to play with limp and asmo, et al. as you inevitably did regardless of the unnecessary drama you took part in invoking, we would have had a tournament that was drama free and had few complaints such as how the sub system was "unfair".
We can sit around and prioritize the two finals matches, but really if you had joined vaalbara from the start we could have played 7v7, 7v8. Our entire team aside from Kirk showed up to play that day. You wanted to sit and neutral host with your giant killing presence rather than join Vaalbara and participate in the games you had time for.
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@ 7:17 asmo infers that you play and all you say is "lol..."
@ 12:15 you infer that you're watching gay midgit trucker porn while you host our matches, no doubt inciting the host drop with your loss of bandwidth
- @ 12:51 we rehost because "4 mins of PT"
@ 16:51 there's still 1:11 left in planning time because we rehosted
@ 28:52 host drop, maybe if you had less tabs open you could have multitasked between your preferred browser and a small heron flank
All of that inspired a bunch of whining and drama, which you can blame me for but I did not solely contribute to. the reality is, aside from being dramatic with asmodian telling him whether you could commit to the team or not, Vaal had to win most of the remaining games and the match was over regardless of the result of smells. In the name of good competitive games we could replay smells after we played the other scheduled games or watch the game and score it later. Instead of acknowledging this and moving forward there was a bunch of defensive unnecessary drama throughout the rest of the match, I think you ran off to review the film to make some general judgement about it.
Sure you guys threatened to boycott the finals, well notably just you. It is no different than hearing how you don't want to participate during MWC. So are you not interested or boycotting? Tell you what, you can have both; it's interesting to say they go hand in hand but be as you may.
So much "threatening" to "boycott", but it is what it is. Part of why people can look forward to it for this MWC is because you have leaders of a team who played in the previous seasonal tournament that are unable to reform or "boycotting", so they have already given up their right to play in the finals.
That is ok though, not all is lost you see. People will show up, or they won't; yet if you build it, they will come. Apparently, you forget that the Top Player of an 18-year old computer game tournament with only a dozen or so competitive players left has no real power, and just needed a friendly reminder. But this is not the first time this has happened in the history of Myth.
No one else wanted to organize MWC so I stepped up because no one else has the time to do it. You know who should have started hosting them a long time ago? You. Hell, the only time you've hosted an event that involved more than 10 people playing at one time was the allstar match last fall. There is nothing better than a neutral presence being a tournament organizer and that has not happened for years, it's rather unfortunate you don't want to step up and contribute your efforts to a game you've played and had success with for years while the risk is the unnecessary drama. I think you helped grim reach that same conclusion. The conclusion you helped me reach is that no one wants to look at a forum-run tournament regardless of how many "competitive or not" players are left, much less read the rules of a tournament before entering.
) . From this moment on i took a big break. I put 2 years of competitive myth aside and had to recollect my thoughts and take a break, i really thought we had a chance to win 2007 mwc but 12 task just literally dominated us. During my 5 years of giving myth a break I look at the history and see you dominated every year since ive been gone. 
... but not gonna make excuses. real life shit happens.
