Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

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Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 16 Aug 2013, 07:12

This is a fairly subjective list, but I would like anyone else to make a better argument. Best Myther Ever has always seemed to encompass most tournament wins, and 1v1 prowess. Sorry, but multiplayer is only HALF of Myth itself. Here is my top 10, with a few honorable mentions who were very difficult to not include in this list. Players will be rated on a series of categories: Coop Ability, 1v1, Multiplayer, Captain Abilities, Intangibles. 0-100 scale, 100 being the best.


My lists always start from the top, so let's reverse it this time to build up reader suspense.

10. Nemesis

Coop: 95
1v1: 82
Multiplayer: 80
Captain: 74
Intangibles: 78
Total: 409 points

Mortal Kombat Trilogy Equivalent: Johnny Cage

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Troll post, right? Wrong. Nemesis won MWC on one of the greatest teams ever (Armageddon '08) and was a positive attribute on the team. He wasn't even the best 3 on the team, but he was certainly no slouch either. How in the hell is he top 10 though? I'll tell you why: Presets. Nem never used them. He never touched them, ever. He admitted to this many of times, and you could tell by his gameplay that he didn't either (for those of you experts out there who can tell by watching someone play). His multi-tasking abilities were very good, his 1v1 prowess was very strong, and an underrated captain when he needed to be. Also, he played with the handicap of living down under, and had to deal with lag and subpar internet for the majority of his Myth career. These are most of the things that Nemesis is mostly well known for, now let's dab into the ones he isn't.

Nem was a great coop player. Nem played coop? Yes he did. He formed an unlikely bond with Savanarola (one of the original kings of coop) and began setting Myth Done Quick (MDQ) records while everyone else argued about who could beat up who in real life. It wasn't until about 2-3 years ago that Nem's mark on Myth history was fully discovered. A hidden MDQ website revealed that Nem held many MDQ records that were never recorded on the Mariusnet website. Most of his came around the 2003 era, back when life on Myth was pretty bumpin. These hidden gems were discovered when Hadiez and myself undertook the challenge of trying to beat the existing MDQ records... and we did beat most of them... until we came across this website. We had to completely retool and rethink a handful of other maps, because our times were either not close or still not yet better than Nem's from 2003. Keep in mind Hadz and myself started doing these in 2011. It took a lot of work, but we were eventually able to beat them all, and actually had to watch one of Nem's films in order to beat his MDQ time on it (Gonen's Bridge). Captain abilities and multiplayer abilities would not put Nem in the top 20 or maybe even top 30, but his early coop prowess and strong 1v1 skill give him enough to be included on this list. Nem was always a pretty boy, so he gets Johnny Cage, who had lame specials, average combos, but the CPU always seemed to play him against you much harder than you thought he was capable of.





9. Rabican

Coop: 80
1v1: 78
Multiplayer: 85
Captain: 95
Intangibles: 84
Total: 422 points

MKT Equivalent: Shang Tsung

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Okay, now this list just got a bit more sensible, right? If not for his Coop ability, Rabican would not be in anyone's top 10 list, except for here, where he shines. Rabican is one of the original dedicated Mazzers... and for that he gets very high Coop points. His captain abilities throughout the early-mid 2000s also boost his overall value up there. A solid 1v1er and multiplayer talent, doesn't have the micro ability of anyone, but has the awareness and intangibles to keep him a very dangerous threat for opposition. Rabican was a captaining force since the beginning. He was arguably the biggest reason for NP's dynasty run for MWC. He doesn't practice, doesn't strategize, just shows up and gives directions, and it almost always works out well for this guy. Afterwards, he goes back into a drunken stuper and screams at his grandmother for not bringing him enough Capri Sun during his MWC match. Criticism aside, the dude is an evil genius that was doing it while most of you were in diapers. Like Shang Tsung, Rabican can adapt his play style (when he cares) to any situation, and also be creepy and evil at the same time.





8. Paris

Coop: 70
1v1: 90
Multiplayer: 90
Captain: 82
Intangibles: 94
Tota: 426 points

MKT Equivalent: Liu Kang

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This guy wins. He just wins. Whether its supporting a veteran Tcox/Np squad, or creating his own superpower teams (Armageddon, Bulls) the guy surrounds himself with talent, but make no mistake about it, he's a big reason all of those teams have been so successful. His coop prowess isn't much to talk about, but a deadly 1v1er, multiplayer, and possesses the intangibles of all the great ones. He can captain when called upon to, but don't expect him to single handedly lead a conglomerate of superstar power and turn them into a wrecking machine. Aside from that, the finger hardware earns him a spot on this list of all-time greats. Let's not forget to talk about his contributions to Myth, both on and off the battlefield. Paris has assisted in hosting tournaments when others have either declined or been ousted by the community for being a flaming idiot (grim). Given his age and the fact he started in 2003 doesn't go against him, but I could only imagine what more I could say about him if he were around since the beginning. Like Liu Kang, he's got the combos, specials, and prowess of a true fighter who has dedicated himself to becoming a superstar.




7. Chohan

Coop: 50 (Unknown)
1v1: 98
Multiplayer: 96
Captain: 92
Intangibles: 96
Total: 432 points

MKT Equivalent: Scorpion

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You're kidding me?! Chohan is only ranked 7th??? What 6 Mythers could possibly be ranked ahead of him? Leave your preconceived notions at the door and continue reading on to find out. As [most] of you can recall, Chohan was an absolute force, especially with BTT by his side. He was ahead of his time at 1v1, dominating multiplayer, and micro managed like an asian kid with 6 arms. But there are a few problems here. Chohan hasn't played a game of Myth in nearly 8 years. 8 years folks. He's only got 1 MWC ring to boot too. Chohan is my one-trick-pony of my top 10 list. He had his run, albeit for about 2 years, where nobody could touch him, and he was too much of a coward to return to Myth after having lost MWC '06. Think about it folks, how could you consider a guy who has only played Myth for half of its existence in the top 5? I certainly can't. His Resume is nothing to balk at, but peons need to stop living in the past. I have no relevant information that could provide to me that Chohan was anything more than an average Coop player, so he gets a 50. Yes, Chohan's legacy lives on, but in the whole scheme of things, others have accomplished more. Chohan was not one of those guys to spend his time perfecting his Coop skill, because there were no egos to be had there. We all know that guy person that when you play Mortal Kombat with, they always choose Scorpion, and they always do that back back low punch move to spear and upper cut you to death the entire time. It's super effective, but ultimately useless when going up against stiffer competition.





6. Zer aka Darkseed

Coop: 50 (Unknown)
1v1: 96
Multiplayer: 98
Captain: 90
Intangibles: 100
Total: 434 Points

MKT Equivalent: Baraka

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Zer is my Dark Horse [no pun intended] of my all-time greats list. Coop talent unknown, Zer was never one to spend time perfecting that craft where no ego could be had. But, unlike Chohan, Zer was a bit more of an innovator, and after all, Zer earned the title BME killer after his performance in the MWC '06 finals. That earns him the #6 spot on my all time list. If Zer cared just a bit more, he'd probably break the top 4-5, but off the computer issues always slowed him down a bit. Zer was a bit of a diva... he only cared to show up on game day, but show up he did. He was an emergency captain, but always knew what he was doing. His intangibles are second to none in the game, having invented and crafted many popular Myth moves and strategies you see utilized in the game today. Zer has never had a bad tournament appearance, and has always been a force to reckon with. Like Baraka, Zer is a fierce outlaw who will gouge your eyeballs out if you look at him wrong.





5. Shaister

Coop: 70
1v1: 93
Multiplayer: 95
Captain: 88
Intangibles: 96
Total: 442 Points

MKT Equivalent: Sonya

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Shaister cracks the top 5 in my list of all time greats. He actually learned a thing or two about Coop, because he played it since the beginning and perfected his craft. In the whole scheme of things, he is not known for winning Coop tournaments or holds records, but unlike the previous 2 players, was never considered a diva and that bodes well for his overall Myth prowess. His 1v1 ability was always a force to reckon with, he could multitask you to death and can micro with the best of them. Shai is very intelligent when it comes to anything Myth related. Why? Because he learned it. How? By being the best TFL player and perfecting that craft before most of the people reading this ever touched a copy of Myth. He's got the old school mentality and is careful with any unit set you give him. He can be passive, he can be aggressive, and you can never get him out of position. Good luck sneaking up on this guy, his game awareness is second to none, earning him very high intangible scores. Like Sonya, he is quiet, and seemingly innocent, and you are too damn busy trying to find something to pick a fight with him about, meanwhile getting curb stomped and watching the incredible screams as she performs her BRUTALITY ending scene.





4. Erik

Coop: 70
1v1: 98
Multiplayer: 92
Captain: 94
Intangibles: 96
Total: 450 Points

MKT Equivalent: Kabal

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The only person on this list who has never won a MWC. Never won a MWC and in the top 5??? You crazy bro. No, listen youthful, gather round and let me tell you a little story about the greatest, least-known Myther ever... Erik. Nobody knows where he came from. Nobody knows where he went. Those who remember him best, remember him being a maniacal messiah; an innovator, a trend setter... quite simply, The Original™. Erik was the original name changer. No, nothing in reference to the team that you all started thinking about. Erik never used his actual name, but everyone knew him by Erik. Why did we all settle on calling him Erik and not one of his other myriad of names? Because his real life name was Erik, and real men use their names as their Myth names. Erik never really ran with the same crowd. He preferred to be the notable, bland, underdog in any situation. Never using ascii and always using ugly avatar/color schemes, Erik would pose as a complete newbie, and use names like "Roy" or "Joe." Opposing players would balk at how lame he looked, until they went up against him on a flank. Before anyone could exit the game to look for the newb that just crushed them, Erik would have already dropped and changed his name to something else unsuspecting and join by the time the game reopened. Erik didn't care about stats, points, reputation, etc. He had one goal in mind, and that was to silence any critic that looked in his direction. Erik was the original "not a single fuck is given" kinda guy. Erik would steamroll anyone, anywhere, any time. He was a skill-first type player, who left his ego at the door when it came to crunch time. Only Erik could do what Erik did. Raz tried to mimic Erik's notorious strategies without avail, therefore cementing Erik as the unheralded evil genius that ever was. He is like Kabal in that, we have no story about him, and we never really knew WHO or WHERE he was from, all we knew is that Erik was, and still is, Erik.




3. Drizzt aka Tirri

Coop: 70
1v1: 96
Multiplayer: 98
Captain: 96
Intangibles: 97
Total: 457 points

MKT Equivalent: Image

Oh Drizzt, or Tirri, whichever you remember him by. Oldschoolers remember Drizzt, the flashy diva who strutted his stuff in more tournaments while everyone was busy gawking at his white metallic robe. Drizzt/Tirri has also been playing Myth for the entire existence of Myth, which gives him great credibility on this list. Unlike the man who retired him [Chohan], Drizzt stuck with the game, and will go down in history, pending some freakishly risque comeback by Chohan, as a better Myther than Chohan. He has not always had great performances, especially during team tournaments, but when you've participated in nearly every tournament in Myth's existence, everyone is bound to remember your bad ones, which are few and far between. Though he's lost a step or two, he still shows up, and plays. Drizzt lost his right to play Myth, and therefore his flash, and has since become known as Tirri, the unflashy, drama queen who prefers to pick on the weaker prey these days in hopes to return to his greatness persona he once held. Drizzt was a diva, but he did know the Coop levels, but his prowess in other things earned him top 3. Like Raiden, Drizzt the Tirrible can unleash lethal combos, freeze his opponents with his electrical grasp, and look like a badass doing it too.




2. Giant Killer General

Coop: 85
1v1: 99
Multiplayer: 100
Captain: 100
Intangibles: 99
Total: 483 points

MKT Equivalent: Motaro

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I really shouldn't have to talk about this guy at all. Its all there for everyone to see. But for all intents and purposes, it is the old schoolers who need a schooling on who this guy is, and what he has done. Civil who? NP who? Doesn't matter what team this guy captains, that team is destined for greatness. He finally got the namechanger squad over the hump by winning them their first MWC in countless tries. He captained one of the greatest finals teams ever, The 2011 Chicago Bulls, who ended a would-be dynasty with a landslide victory 6 games to 1, the biggest blowout in MWC finals history. Nobody has spent more time on Myth in the last few years than this guy, but nobody can argue that it hasn't paid dividends. Working on his 4th MWC win, this guy knows what it takes, and has perfected his craft at being a team captain and great 1v1 prowess. GKG earned the title of best 1v1er when the most ancient, legendary Laptop died in December 2012, putting the former champ into future doubts about his playing abilities. The apocalypse really did come in 12/12 guys. No, not really, shit happens. This guy has been a machine the last few years, mowing over competition and earning prowess after prowess. At first he was so well received for coaching lesser beings into becoming better players, and recently has become a bit more of an outlaw, steering away from his followers and guzzling down the Hatoraid. There is but one man on the Earth all time that has anything to say about GKG's rank in this top 10 list....




1. BIG KROK V8 SS

Coop: 100
1v1: 100
Multiplayer: 100
Captain: 95
Intangibles: 100
Total: 495 points

MKT Equivalent: Shao Khan

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As if there was any doubt who would be in first place on this list. The most underrated player of all time, because why would anyone want to rate a player they absolutely hated? Greatness is hated, and this guy has had too much in his career. Countless MWC titles, team tournaments, 1v1 tournaments, Coop victories and records, 3rd party tournaments.... the list goes on. What hasn't this guy done? Captain a winning MWC team... that's about it. His rabble game captain abilities are something that are overlooked. Perhaps the most innovative captain ever, he can make the worst trade possible with absolute shitty supporting players, and still win a team game by 90% - 0%. He even wins games with 1 unit left, while the other team has well over 50%. The end result is always a win, and when it comes to capping random rabble games, nobody does it better; remains to be seen how he'd do with a formidable team during MWC. Let's talk about multiplayer skill... Krok likes being the superstar heavy hitter of the team, and its clear why: he's the best at it. Earning highest damage per game in both MWC '08 and MWC '11 during his dominating runs, he supports a MWC team best being the superstar player and carrying the team on his back. A Myth personality so fucked, you'd think he played from a mental institution, but maybe that is part of his competitive advantage he employs over the opponents he steamrolls over. Give this guy a flank, with less units and 1v2, and you can be sure he's going to win or hold it down. Give this guy trow? Game over. Nobody does it better. His teammates from his MWC runs can attest to the high quality of a teammate he can be, despite his monstrous ego and fire mouth, he puts the team first and therefore the respect of his teammates. You wanna talk about Coop? Holds every Myth 2 Myth Done Quick record. Only one person has more, Hadiez, who holds those plus all the TFL maps. Unlike ALL of the players on this list, KROK mastered coop and then some while everyone else was busy comparing egos. Let me elaborate, KROK played his first game of Mazz VI on Legendary, and won. First try. 100% Mazz Legendary win ratio. You can't make this stuff up. This guy was the first to beat Gladiators Apotheosis and Gladiators Depredation on Legendary, both with and without vets. He also beat Depredation on Legendary without vets in 1 hour and 8 minutes. (Average win time is over 1.5 hours). Coop plugins? No problem, he's beaten them all. First to beat the entire series of Myth Experts for both TFL and Soulblighter. None of the aforementioned star players are even close to that type of Coop/3rd part prowess. OH you said 3rd party? How about WW2? Civil War? This guy mastered them all. Best Urban Recon player ever, Best AVA player ever. Nobody else in this list would be considered top 100 in either of those. Intangibles? Krok has invented more strategies and tricks that are still used today than any other Myther. See a guy shadowing another trow and cornering it? Krok. Trow positioning during fighting? Krok. Zer only made it popular after first seeing me do it. Raid on the Plains? This guy is the best ever. None of the other guys would even touch Raid. Its not "real" Myth. Well, its actually a natural Myth map, and Krok's the best by far at it. Best combination of gianting/melee skills. Inventor of the giant trap, melee rush on CTF, and melee squads on LMOTH. 1v1? This guy was the best 1v1er in the game from summer 2007 when he returned, until December 2012 when his legendary laptop officially died, along with his Myth skill. No other Myther has dominated as 1v1 champ for a longer period of time. Nobody else has been hated more, banned more, posted more, or done more annoying, time consuming shit than this guy. At the center and highest on anything Myth related, this guy takes the cake, and then tells you about it for years later. How could one possibly determine which of these accomplishments is the best ever? You know, dating back to 2001, this guy has never lost a game of 1v1 trow. Never. EVER. This guy is so confident, he takes 0 TROW against the 2nd best 1v1er of all time and his 5 trow, and wins. Yes, he is that freakishly good at 1v1 trow. He won trow 1v7 against the entire ~syn~ team. He repeated this feat back in 2009 when he played 1v7 against ~mental~ on trow, and won. Folks, we are talking thousands upon thousands of games of playing trow solo against whatever the competition. He's. Never. Lost.







HONORABLE MENTIONS FOR BEST EVER IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CATEGORIES:

1v1:

Judas
Bullet Tooth Tony
Adrenaline*
Kilgrath
Sunstyle
Guttermouth


*Included because he bitched and whined about not being included anywhere else in the lists of Myth greats.


Coop:

Hadiez
Flick
Savanarola



Multiplayer:

Magne
Chickenware
Kappa
Jeffdameek



3rd party:

Cruniac

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Asmodian » 16 Aug 2013, 08:17

This is surprisingly a pretty good post, I was expecting it to be your typical troll post. I would put 8/10 of these people on my top 10 as well.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 16 Aug 2013, 13:24

Interesting list, but NO ONE gives a shit about co-op... but I understand it's the only way you could justify putting yourself on the list. :lol:

Any all-time top 10 list is gonna be hugely subjective, so I commend you for a noble attempt. Was a good read, anyways.

I'd certainly have to disagree with a few things:

1. Nem - WAS a great 1v1er back in his prime... recall he placed 2nd (lost to Chohan in finals) in Shai's Seven Penis Rising 1v1 tourney.
2. Zer was never a powerhouse 1v1er... I've personally eliminated him from a couple of 1v1 tournies. He was good, no doubt, but not a "96". And certainly HAS had a bad tourney experience... don't recall exactly which tourney, but his trowing vs. me lost his team the match (finals?) and he then proceeded to blame it on someone else... even grim got surprisingly mad at him for this.
3. You raved about Rab's intangibles, then gave him a relatively low score for it... interesting.
4. Putting Chohan at #7, who is widely renowned as the best ever, highly discredits your list. I mean... you tried to justify it, but you have to be realistic sometimes. He was utterly dominant in arguably the most competitive era of myth... he simply could not be touched.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby dac » 16 Aug 2013, 14:18

chuck norris wears lol v8 orange underwear

every time kirk loses a 1x1 a cancer patient goes into remission... or so we think. it's never happened before so we don't know.

kirk's trowing ability has fostered a love of NAZIs in Israel

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby tirri » 16 Aug 2013, 15:39

adrenaline wrote:4. Putting Chohan at #7, who is widely renowned as the best ever, highly discredits your list. I mean... you tried to justify it, but you have to be realistic sometimes. He was utterly dominant in arguably the most competitive era of myth... he simply could not be touched.


chohans dominant era being the most competitive era of myth is indeed highly arguable.

wasnt there that clanger.com or some myth 2 tournament website that was being run by rolling rock from somewhere between 2001-2003. there were almost always multiple individual tournaments going on every week and there were lots of very good players playing in them and wanting to win. then towards the end of 2003 the site died as there were no good individual tournaments going on in myth and at the time i got the feeling like myth is nearly dead and that most competitive mythers felt that way.

indeed after 2003 there were no really competitive ffa tournaments played expect for igmos oPops that were only a shade of what some previous ffa tournaments were, and there were no 1v1 tournaments for years. this all culminated in mwc2005 where the whole tourney was completely horrible activity wise and myth was basically dead. and this is the era when chohan was supposedly most dominant

im my opinion chohan didnt win a single competitive individual tournament (he won what, the 7 penis rising 1v1 tournament in 2007 and his own 1v1 tournament in 2006) so calling chohan the most dominant player of myths most competitive era seems quite wrong.

of course chohans achievements are still better than gkgs because in gkgs era there really has been no other great players playing even half as actively as gkg. actually, out of the people on this list that could actually be consider top 10 ever (me, erik, shaister, chohan, rabican, nemesis, maybe zer) no one has been especially active from 2009 onwards so gkgs era is really watered down

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 16 Aug 2013, 15:46

Cho was pretty dominant in 2004. But you are right... his individual tourney victories are lacking. I'm really just talking pure skill, here. Perhaps "competitive" was the wrong word... obviously there was a smaller player base and number of tournies at this time, but myth skill arguably peaked in the period of 2004-2007, at which point he was the best individual player around.

I have a feeling this is gonna reopen that whole argument... Iol.

coop, tourney success, and all that stuff aside... in terms of RAW SKILL (i.e. the ability to out-click, outmaneuver, and beat an opponent into submission) this list would look A LOT different, and would probably feature several mythers that are still active today.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 16 Aug 2013, 16:04

If you guys paid any attention, Coop was a small factor in determining these all time greats. Lots of people care about coop, you just don't hear/read about them, because there you won't find nearly as many egos because you are playing against the CPU and not other players. I didn't even include 3rd party (WW2, etc) into this list, which I easily could have, and in that case people like Chohan could have been knocked out of the top 10. My other scores are good enough to still be #1 without the Coop rating. I admit that I am not the best captain ever, but that remains to be seen, I've never captained a MWC tournament team. But everyone knows I am a successful unconventional captain in rabble games. I know you are upset adrenaline, and would be the first as usual to start critiquing my every word. This is my overall best list, all factors Myth related included, with a slant towards multiplayer, because let's face it, multiplayer takes more individual skill than playing against CPU, but people like Nem who were legendary at Coop were able to sneak in BECAUSE they were Coop innovators. We need to redefine what we all believe to be "Best Myther Ever" criteria. 2004 Chohan could not beat 2008 Krok or 2012 GKG at 1v1. He couldn't, period. Having said that, Erik would happily roll over people like adren and tirri in 1v1s these days.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 16 Aug 2013, 16:16

Also I'm the only known Myther to switch hands and play solely with the opposite hands. I'm already a low 4 baller, and apparently still good enough to beat 1v1 greats like adrenaline with that setup. Coop helped me build up my skills, it wouldn't have worked out if I just played lefty multiplayer, I never would have developed the proper controls.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 16 Aug 2013, 16:21

Kirk, you caught me on a bad day last time we played.. congrats. Erik couldn't beat Cho then, you claim you and GKG would both beat Cho now, I have beaten both YOU and GKG, yet Erik would roll over me and Tirri now? (p.s. tirri is better than you, too) You see how your logic is flawed, here? I'm not gonna deny that GKG is a more consistent 1v1er, but in terms of pure ability, I wouldn't say he is far beyond me... I am just not nearly as consistent. I'll have a few good games, then a slew of relatively bad games. YOU are also not consistent at all... I've see you get raped in fights, scream LAG LAG FROZEN and drop countless times, as has everyone else. I 3-0'd you last year, then you pretended to be afk in the 4th game halfway through, coincidentally when I was already winning the game. Coop? Fuck coop, I haven't cared about that since beating the game in the first week after I bought it.

It's funny to see you talk shit about 1v1, when you were too pussy to actually play in this 1v1 tourney, other than a couple matches (didn't Paris and GKG both 3-0 you? LOL). GKG can talk shit about 1v1 because he can/will back it up consistently. I may drop a few games to some players here and there, but overall I win far more than I lose (see: my tourney record this year) You, on the other hand, will win 1 match (again, I played like shit that day) then refuse to play again. If you do happen to lose OMFG LAG FROZEN LEFT-HANDED.

Erik would probably have a good laugh if he knew how deeply your tongue is still in his ass lol...

And holy shit, get off that left-handed trip. Nobody here believes it for a second. You have proven to be a pathological liar in the past... you want ppl to believe it? Grab a camcorder and record yourself 1v1ing someone left handed. Until that time, visit your shrink and get him to renew your prescription.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby pallidice » 16 Aug 2013, 16:38

videos plz kirk i dont disagree that you are in the number 1 spot because you take 1 aspect of the game and completely beat everyone at it then move on. HOwever i demand videos for at least some of this stuff(someone plz post a video of him losing trow when hes on his own team) mazz legendary win solo(video plz) A link to you fastest ever time records plz. THX
if this is not done i shall move you to 11th spot

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Asmodian » 16 Aug 2013, 17:02

Nemesis,Zer and Paris should not be on this list.

I would definitely put CW on that list and the others I don't know off the top of my head, but what I do know is if I'm taking a Tcox player it would be Cave and not Zer. Cave is a MUCH smarter player, comparable in bc and much less of an ego which makes him a better teammate because he is willing to take different or smaller roles if needed.

Also one that I would probably slip into the bottom of that list is hit. I'm sure I will be called stupid for listing him, but he is one of the few, very good captains who also had great bc skills. I feel like the only reason he isn't talked about more is because he was always taking long breaks.

I don't know much about Erik I have only ever seen him play a few times, but all the great players who played with him tend to agree he was elite so I'll take their word for it.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Pogue » 16 Aug 2013, 17:51

1. Pukewolf
2. Dake

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby par73 » 16 Aug 2013, 20:04

This is a dope introspective look KROK, very well written.


Also lol @ asmo saying nem zer and I shouldn't be on this list. I don't think asmo would even make the top 100 best mythers list.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 16 Aug 2013, 20:21

I think kirk was taking into consideration your # of team tourney victories (quite a few!) and your contributions to the community (hosting tournies) as the main criteria. Zer hasn't really contributed anything like you have, and certainly doesn't have the # of tourney victories... was never at the top of the heap skillwise (again, I personally eliminated him from 2 1v1 tournies). So ya, I'd have to agree with Asmo on that front. Nem... I dunno... at his peak, he was really fucking good, but it was short lived. He didn't stay active for very long after that and never really accomplished much other than 2nd in 7PR and the 1 mwc victory (armageddon? --was he even on this team? don't remember). Didn't know about his earlier coop prowess though... so that was interesting. Still, I'd never consider him top 10 all-time... although, top 20 definitely!

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Myrk » 16 Aug 2013, 21:00

adrenaline wrote: Zer was never a powerhouse 1v1er... I've personally eliminated him from a couple of 1v1 tournies. He was good, no doubt, but not a "96". And certainly HAS had a bad tourney experience... don't recall exactly which tourney, but his trowing vs. me lost his team the match (finals?) and he then proceeded to blame it on someone else... even grim got surprisingly mad at him for this.


I think this was a barb valley dark game where he had trow and grim and I had fetch, and he publicly blamed us when he charged in out of our fetch range and suicided the trow. I wouldn't even put Zer on a top 200 best player ever list.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 16 Aug 2013, 21:07

yep, that was the game!

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Asmodian » 16 Aug 2013, 22:16

yeah Zer is a good player, but has always been someone vastly overrated. Alyways trying to toot his own horn to make people think he is better than he actually was. I would take Adrenaline over Zer.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 01:34

that was zer trowing against me, adren. not you.

i think that was just another of your many freudian slips where you imagine yourself as me.

don't worry though, it's understandable.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 03:11

well... i can't seem to find the films, but i am pretty sure i was trowing that game. anyone have mwc09 films? was it even 09? i guess so, if it was tcox

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 03:26

no adren...you rarely if ever trowed for NC while I was on that team. and you certainly did not trow in mwc09. ask any NC that was on the team.

again, this is a now-very serious case of you imagining yourself as me. please stop.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 03:32

get over yourself lol... i was trowing for NC before you came along, and after you left. and i'm sure i trowed a bit during 09 as well.

just downloaded ducky's film pack and it doesn't have and 09 films... surely SOMEONE has them.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 03:38

yes you trowed for NC before I came along...and again only after I left...hrmmm...I wonder why.

In any case, I did not intend to start anything. I just don't like other people trying to take credit for my handy work. Kindly get off my nuts now, thanks.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 03:54

adrenaline wrote:Kirk, you caught me on a bad day last time we played.. congrats. Erik couldn't beat Cho then, you claim you and GKG would both beat Cho now, I have beaten both YOU and GKG, yet Erik would roll over me and Tirri now? (p.s. tirri is better than you, too) You see how your logic is flawed, here? I'm not gonna deny that GKG is a more consistent 1v1er, but in terms of pure ability, I wouldn't say he is far beyond me... I am just not nearly as consistent. I'll have a few good games, then a slew of relatively bad games. YOU are also not consistent at all... I've see you get raped in fights, scream LAG LAG FROZEN and drop countless times, as has everyone else. I 3-0'd you last year, then you pretended to be afk in the 4th game halfway through, coincidentally when I was already winning the game. Coop? Fuck coop, I haven't cared about that since beating the game in the first week after I bought it.

It's funny to see you talk shit about 1v1, when you were too pussy to actually play in this 1v1 tourney, other than a couple matches (didn't Paris and GKG both 3-0 you? LOL). GKG can talk shit about 1v1 because he can/will back it up consistently. I may drop a few games to some players here and there, but overall I win far more than I lose (see: my tourney record this year) You, on the other hand, will win 1 match (again, I played like shit that day) then refuse to play again. If you do happen to lose OMFG LAG FROZEN LEFT-HANDED.

Erik would probably have a good laugh if he knew how deeply your tongue is still in his ass lol...

And holy shit, get off that left-handed trip. Nobody here believes it for a second. You have proven to be a pathological liar in the past... you want ppl to believe it? Grab a camcorder and record yourself 1v1ing someone left handed. Until that time, visit your shrink and get him to renew your prescription.



Seriously dude, if you've beaten me in more than 2 games of the hundreds of 1v1s we've had, I'd be absolutely shocked. It's not even close and you know this for a fact. I've told you over and over again, I played you left handed too. Bad day or not, I am awful at unit control in 1v1 playing with left hand. You can even see how sloppy I am in those games, and compare those with previous 1v1s of mine. Erik had the ability to take Cho 4-3 in a retirement match yet he could never beat Cho? Seems to me like he was RIGHT THERE on the cusp bro. Yes, Erik back in 2003 would have rolled over you and tirri now. Chohan raped drizzt, if you were around to know this. You "3-0'd" me? LOL? Man you are fucked up as liger. Even I try to be humble and honest these days when it comes to my own ability, but I've never resorted to faking victories like you do. Please, present these films. I've never seen a single one, but I do remember you beating me at least 1-2 games. That's it. Period kid. You've been dominated from me. Not to mention 0-6 against me in MWC play, including 2 finals. You don't have nearly what it takes what I do. Tirri is not better than me, he's too much of a diva. He's a great player, (was) a great player, but he's nowhere near my ability. Fuck coop? Feel free to think that, just another thing that I've excelled at and you wouldn't dare try to play it because you'd realize how miserable you are in comparison. I played in this 1v1 tournament, and during one of my matches, the "tournament host" denied my map pick, which was a completely legitimate regular Myth map, so I decided to quit. If that tournament is going to be played by pussies then I'm not going to waste my time.

Adrenaline you are caught in the act time and time again being a pathological liar. "wtf they had like 3 forest giants." And we're supposed to give you an ounce of credibility? I knew you'd be bitching about this list, and you should be happy I even included you as an honorable mention. Actually, let me adjust that for you.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 03:59

pallidice wrote:videos plz kirk i dont disagree that you are in the number 1 spot because you take 1 aspect of the game and completely beat everyone at it then move on. HOwever i demand videos for at least some of this stuff(someone plz post a video of him losing trow when hes on his own team) mazz legendary win solo(video plz) A link to you fastest ever time records plz. THX
if this is not done i shall move you to 11th spot


You won't find a single film of me losing a trow versus match.

I didn't beat Mazz Legendary solo. I said I beat it my first time, I didn't mean to be misleading, I'll have to recheck my wording.

I have and will not share my MDQ films. I'm not showing my secrets of how we beat the maps (most of them were NOT by petty cheats, some maps were, but nothing that nobody else couldn't discover on their own.) But, I have confidence that even if I made the films public, nobody would break the times anyway.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:01

par73 wrote:This is a dope introspective look KROK, very well written.


Also lol @ asmo saying nem zer and I shouldn't be on this list. I don't think asmo would even make the top 100 best mythers list.



LOL I see what you did there. You forgot to add 2 extra 0's at the end. 10,000*

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:03

adrenaline wrote:I think kirk was taking into consideration your # of team tourney victories (quite a few!) and your contributions to the community (hosting tournies) as the main criteria. Zer hasn't really contributed anything like you have, and certainly doesn't have the # of tourney victories... was never at the top of the heap skillwise (again, I personally eliminated him from 2 1v1 tournies). So ya, I'd have to agree with Asmo on that front. Nem... I dunno... at his peak, he was really fucking good, but it was short lived. He didn't stay active for very long after that and never really accomplished much other than 2nd in 7PR and the 1 mwc victory (armageddon? --was he even on this team? don't remember). Didn't know about his earlier coop prowess though... so that was interesting. Still, I'd never consider him top 10 all-time... although, top 20 definitely!


I agree, take away some criteria and Nem is outshadowed in many categories, but not the point of my article. Also, Paris was a big reason all those teams won. He's made contributions, which added to his intangibles and what not. He's active, he's never taken a break, and is consistently one of the best players even despite coming into the game a bit later, but to his defense, the skill level was just beginning to peak so he was learning from the best in the business on a daily basis.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:04

Giant Killer General wrote:that was zer trowing against me, adren. not you.

i think that was just another of your many freudian slips where you imagine yourself as me.

don't worry though, it's understandable.




LOL. case closed on the adrenaline delusional theory.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:05

Giant Killer General wrote:no adren...you rarely if ever trowed for NC while I was on that team. and you certainly did not trow in mwc09. ask any NC that was on the team.

again, this is a now-very serious case of you imagining yourself as me. please stop.



LOL AGAIN. Adrenaline is the new liger of myth, cirque 2005.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:10

But adrenaline you are right about one thing, Paris and GKG did both 3-0 me... well the latter was by forfeit but probably inevitable anyway. If I was really playing left handed, do you see any feasible reason for me to admit defeat these days? ME? KROK? Have you EVER seen me admit to any sort of defeat or miscue in my Myth career until I started left handed?

LOL bro.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 04:15

good thing this reminded me to migrate all my films from my old computer. attached is the mwc09 finals. the film in question is the 3rd SD game (game 8), the last, and match-deciding game.

another display of my trowing was in game 5, a repeat of the same map, where i achieve the highest damage of an individual player in an mwc finals game ever (400+ by the old numbers, 60% more dmg than their entire team combined).

do you have anything to say for yourself now adren?

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 04:46

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Ah, my bad. Yes, you trowed. I guess just remembered being in the action when it happened... and dominating, apparently. Thanks for those films, though. Been trying to find them for a couple of years.

Oh and Kirk... those films were posted last year for all to see...but go ahead and scream "FILMZ OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN", like you have done every other time you've lost. And holy shit, your last 4 posts have been dedicated to me... I seem to have struck a nerve.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 04:55

Where are these films adren? Waiting...

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Asmodian » 17 Aug 2013, 05:43

Those are probably the worst finals films to date, no wonder they have been missing so long. Such a boring series to watch.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 12:18

hey kirk... losing a film does not erase history. welcome to reality.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 17 Aug 2013, 12:32

Seems to happen a lot.... all of these glorious victories over me just VANISH.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 12:43

p.s. enjoy your weekend alone in your basement while i spend mine at a cottage party on an island on Lake Huron. toodles!

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 14:09

adrenaline wrote:Ah, my bad. Yes, you trowed. I guess just remembered being in the action when it happened... and dominating, apparently. Thanks for those films, though. Been trying to find them for a couple of years.


that is hilarious that you wanted to screen shot that to show everybody. most of your damage was from after their trow died and you had free reign already, and also from their giant clump of mauls on their flag defense at the very end of the game that you zap when it is already over. nothing really special, unlikely my trowing. It is awesome how you can just go from spinning one false tale of being the trower that game, to another false tale of supposedly "dominating" and trying to show off damage as proof. you must be a special kind of delusional person. it really is quite fascinating i must say though, well done.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby DBSeeker » 17 Aug 2013, 15:02

Can someone give me a TLDR of this thread?

Also: GKG's team winning MWC would be hilarious. It's essentially a team of J-Dittys winning MWC. I applaud GKG for taking a novel approach to proving that he's the best of all time.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Dantski » 17 Aug 2013, 16:23

DBSeeker wrote:Can someone give me a TLDR of this thread?


THOR best player ever

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby THOR » 17 Aug 2013, 22:23

kirk should be ashamed to talk so much shit, he's a fucking player.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 17 Aug 2013, 22:53

THefunny thing, gkg, is that i didnt even really watch the film. But please... write another lengthy post, delete it, and reply with an even longer post hours later. Oh... wait. You clearly have nothing else going on in your life :(

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 17 Aug 2013, 23:11

coming from the guy who cared enough to screen shot his stats from the film and post it, that means a lot to me adren.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 18 Aug 2013, 00:48

Now you're just posting for the sake of posting... go make some friends or something.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby limp » 18 Aug 2013, 01:14

GKG, friends?


LOL GOOD ONE ADREN

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 18 Aug 2013, 01:44

I made a funny!

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby Giant Killer General » 18 Aug 2013, 01:50

god this is just so cute, precious, absolutely adorable.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby limp » 18 Aug 2013, 02:24

just like you! with a little smug idiot on the side.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 18 Aug 2013, 02:35

LOL.

Krok and GKG put NC on the map. Without us, you guys would still have been looking up at the big boys. Ska and shai and all those guys would still be playing.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby BIG KROK V8 SS » 18 Aug 2013, 02:37

THOR wrote:kirk should be ashamed to talk so much shit, he's a fucking player.



Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.


Oh and adren I have so far spent my weekend logging trees. I'll post a picture of the one I cut down... its 6' wide. It literally took an hour to fell, it was in a tricky spot, and I did it all by myself. I was at least 2 miles away from the next closest person. Get at my level bro, I don't spend my time frolicking at gay frat college parties.

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Re: Top 10 Best Mythers EVER

Postby adrenaline » 18 Aug 2013, 02:45

Working professionals, but close enough. You were alone you say? No shit? Sounds like a fum filled weekend.


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